Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

The natural world is not a motor.

ranger

It's already been explained to you - for a given speed the minimum number of watts required is generated by keeping a constant pace. As you speed up and slow down around that speed you have to put out more watts in total. Hence a consistent pace is a beneficial target, recognizing of course that it's hard to hit every time.

In a (more) serious vein now.

Let's look at the natural world...

There is constancy out there.
Consider the forces of gravity and how the planets move in their special dance around the sun.

I ask you, Rich: Is one year 360 days and the next 400 ?

What about simple things like the gas laws: P1*V1/T1 = P2*V2/T2 ?

I would like you to consider these things before you go on about how the natural world is so unsteady.

the ranger world even defies the fractal nature of "chaos"...

AT is a number for ranger rather than a condition... Rich gets to pick that number at random w/o science, w/o consideration of what is natural, w/o testing.

ranger mantra: "What I say, is"
l'état c'est moi
Have at it Rich, you're the self-styled Col. Quaddafi of the erg circuit!

[hjs]

My favorite ranger-poetry

You just assume the consequent.

(Which is) _Why_ (I keep) each (barf) cycle exactly constant (.)

I understand why a high ratio, proper leverage, good timing, etc., aid effectiveness and efficiency.

(Just watch me choke... over, & over, & over, & over. All over everyone)

(cue the great words of the inscrutable one:)

The natural world is not a motor.

ranger

Let natural-man do his thing folks..
This sure beats South Park!

Rich: Please tell us the next thing you won't ever do.

Mike maybe a silly question, but can't you show 17 strokes in the upcomings days? and show Dangy how it's done, after all, fair is fair, he did row those 17 full strokes, it's not often that we actually see real erging from the nutty pro. This is far better first let him do it and then copie it.
That 20 k you erged where more or less a waist of your time and training. No need to do that again, first let him do it, and those 17 strokes he did.

[hjs]

Hands up, anybody who thinks this video shows "amazingly consistent rowing" over 15 strokes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcF3JBt7TP4
2 strokes to get going, then 1:34@31spm, 1:32@33, 1:34@30, 1:35@31, 1:35@31, 1:35@31, 1:35@32, 1:33@33, 1:33@32, 1:34@34, 1:34@32, 1:36@31, 1:34@32, 1:33@35, 1:33@34, stop.

Hands up, anybody who has difficulty reading and understanding the following statements.



Here I was, getting all excited that this thread was on indefinite "pause" until I would post a video to ranger's liking, but in fact ranger is still blabbing on. Where's my remote control?

He Ewen, you can show this: http://www.aviron-indoor.fr/resultats/

You race in Paris, not 17 strokes, but a full 2k race, you cruised around 1.38 most of your meters

[ranger]

If I do work like that it looks a lot more alike,

Really?

Then post a video of your PM4 monitor doing 500m, 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI, 10 MPS).

Let's see it.

I am happy to believe it if I see it, but so far, I haven't seen it.

In your video, keep the PM4 on the force curve screen, so we can see the consistency of your drives.

And include HR, so we can see your level of effort.

I'll be happy to post my video if you can do what I have asked macroth to do.

Sure, 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI) is pretty difficult for me to do.

As I mentioned, it is comparable to a 50s hwt doing 1:26 @ 35 spm (15.7 SPI, 10 MPS).

Feel free to do the 500s 1:26 @ 35 spm, given that you are a 40s hwt, to get a better feel for the difficulty of the exercise.

ranger

[hjs]

If I do work like that it looks a lot more alike,

Really?

Then post a video of your PM4 monitor doing 500m, 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI, 10 MPS).

Let's see it.

I am happy to believe it if I see it, but so far, I haven't seen it.

In your video, keep the PM4 on the force curve screen, so we can see the consistency of your drives.

And include HR, so we can see your level of effort.

ranger

Look here : not 17 strokes but a 2k race Proof ! http://www.aviron-indoor.fr/resultats/

I know you are not that smart, so a little tip to help you , Ewens race is an the 30/39 cat, and mine in the 40/49

[mikvan52]

Hands up, anybody who thinks this video shows "amazingly consistent rowing" over 15 strokes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcF3JBt7TP4
2 strokes to get going, then 1:34@31spm, 1:32@33, 1:34@30, 1:35@31, 1:35@31, 1:35@31, 1:35@32, 1:33@33, 1:33@32, 1:34@34, 1:34@32, 1:36@31, 1:34@32, 1:33@35, 1:33@34, stop.

He Ewen, you can show this: http://www.aviron-indoor.fr/resultats/

You race in Paris, not 17 strokes, but a full 2k race, you cruised around 1.38 most of your meters

Ewan: I took a look... pretty darn great rowing there... and steady as she goes... Until you sprinted


Great stuff! You must train, secretly using The SPI play-book

[mikvan52]

and in all this idle chatter..
The fact remains:
In an obscure race last year, ranger owed 6:41
In the limelight this year: 7:02
In his "mind" ........>>>> .... he's learning to row.... at 60.... having been on the erg for well over 8 years.

Chump.

[ranger]

I don't see a monitor in these race results.

Sure, I have done races at flat even pace overall, too.

But my individual strokes varied all along the line on my monitor.

I suspect that they do on yours, too, even when you are rowing a flat even pace.

Happy to have you show me something different.

Take a video of your monitor doing 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI, 10 MPS) for 500m.

Keep the monitor on the force curve, so we can see the consistency of your stroking.

Include HR so that we can see the level of your effort.

ranger

[hjs]

I don't see a monitor in these race results.


ranger

no kidding You can see every stroke and you see the rate in the race graph, so all you want to see is there. And no I don,t have proof that the guy who rowed under my name is me. I do have a video though of parts of the race shwoing who looks like I do when I look in the mirror ,but with the monitor from the side.
But that's for friends only, not for people who own me money

[ben990]

O.K.

I've got the video of my 500, 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI, 10 MPS).

So, now I am just waiting on macroth's.

After he posts his video and we have time to examine it closely and discuss it thoroughly, as he likes to do, I'll post mine.

ranger

WTF?! Post the video already.

You really are a liar and a cheat. You are also a loser who does not pay when you lose a bet.

And you are old and frail. And chubby too.

You are fading fast. Father time is calling, and he is pissed at you for lying so much. Welcome to over 7:00 2k club. Respectable for a 60+ little chubby man with strings for arms and legs.

But congrats, you keep me coming back day after day to check out your drivel, along with the others, like mikevan52, who seem like they can't help posting.

It is fascinating how you can keep this thread going for so long, and I am sure it takes a major commitment from you to post the same thing over and over and over and over and over. It is almost like you have software that automatically generates posts.

Well played, ranger, well played.

[macroth]

Ack! Kudos from the forum?! Ranger is going to go ballistic!

Henry's race was clearly steadier, I have to say.

What's much more interesting than my passable race is to compare the top rowers in each category with the slowest rowers. Statistically, the faster rowers have smoother rate and pace graphs. Unbelievable!


ranger: click on the names.

[macroth]

What a riot, now hjs also has to post a video before ranger posts the one he supposedly has sitting in his camera. Better keep adding names to that list, you never know.

Don't you find it odd that you keep asking other people to post data, videos and pics of what YOU should be doing or claim to be doing, yet you never do?

[redzone]

Oh dear, just another little Ranger game to get him out of actually supplying facts.

When he said that he would post the details of the 500 my first thought wasn't 'Oh, it'll be interesting to see the results, it was 'I wonder how he'll try to squirm his way out of this one'.

As I've said before, this is the key fact of this thread.

Ranger's sole purpose is not to do any of the things that other people are on the forum for (to learn, to compare results, to be involved with the community, to share their knowledge). Ranger's sole purpose is to attract attention to himself.

If you accept this, everything he does makes sense. The missed competitions, the cloak and dagger training, the ridiculous claims. It's really very sad.

[hjs]

What a riot, now hjs also has to post a video before ranger posts the one he supposedly has sitting in his camera. Better keep adding names to that list, you never know.

Don't you find it odd that you keep asking other people to post data, videos and pics of what YOU should be doing or claim to be doing, yet you never do?

You had to much left

But now yo are busy comparing races, what do you think abou this race :

http://concept2.co.uk/birc/result_analy ... c_id=37858

How "consistend" looks that, it looks very natural, like a mountain Chain

[ranger]

now hjs also has to post a video before ranger posts the one he supposedly has sitting in his camera

No, not at all.

I just said I would also accept a video from hjs that makes your point about the efficiency of absolutely consistent stroking, and once the point is made, I would post my pathetically ragged counterpart.

ranger