Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 3rd, 2011, 6:11 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:In the end, you only tap three times every stroke or, at 23 spm, 69 taps a _minute_.
So at 35 spm you would be "tapping" at 105 tpm, i.e., approaching two taps/sec :shock:
Yea.

And at 70 spm, you would be tapping twice as fast as that.

Go figure.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » March 3rd, 2011, 11:21 am

Very much looking forward to the upcoming marathon results. My question is how you know your training is ready to attempt the marathon? Do you make more good strokes in a row each day? Do you make the same amount of good strokes each day but reduce the number of weak strokes inbetween? Do you keep the number of consecutive good strokes and rest periods the same, but just repeat more times?

There needs to be some plan in order to achieve this goal, it doesn't just magically happen one morning. Care to enlighten us? In addition, based on the current plan I hope you'll detail for us, are there any estimates as to when the big day might happen?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » March 3rd, 2011, 11:33 am

Dougie!

I have other problems with these photos.
Let's check ranger's math, shall we?
Citroen wrote:
ranger wrote:Here is 9 SPI:

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By null at 2011-01-06

Here is 13.5 SPI, 50% stronger.

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By null at 2011-01-07

The difference is 14 seconds per 500m at the same rate.

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Looks good training, from SIX YEARS AGO.

How about posting a 2011 screen shot rather than two taken in 2005?
Going over the complete picture:

“Here is 9 spi ?” I don’t think so.. Do the math! Your average in the first picture is : 2:00 @ 26 (7.79 spi)

and in the 2nd case it’s 2:05 @ 26. (a spi of 6.89)

Anyway, if I had my own choice between the two, I'd choose the 1st.... 2:00 is faster than 2:05 you know... :arrow: :idea: :mrgreen:

Talk about weak!

We wouldn’t want to look at just one stroke , would we? What sense would that make?

RWB/Steamroller seems to make one weak, I'd say... :? :?:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 3rd, 2011, 12:04 pm

aharmer wrote:Very much looking forward to the upcoming marathon results. My question is how you know your training is ready to attempt the marathon? Do you make more good strokes in a row each day? Do you make the same amount of good strokes each day but reduce the number of weak strokes inbetween? Do you keep the number of consecutive good strokes and rest periods the same, but just repeat more times?

There needs to be some plan in order to achieve this goal, it doesn't just magically happen one morning. Care to enlighten us? In addition, based on the current plan I hope you'll detail for us, are there any estimates as to when the big day might happen?
No, there isn't any plan, other than taking as many good strokes as I can, correcting my technique whenever needed.

Today, I put the foot stretcher up a notch and my HR dropped, doing the same thing.

That's an advance.

Sure, my breaks have been thinning out as time has passed.

I am now experimenting with lightening up a bit, as long as it doesn't undermine my technique.

As soon as possible, I think I should be do the full 42K continuously, but at a lesser rate or stroking power, just to aid relaxation and effort, just to get used to the distance.

Then I will ramp up the effort from there to max.

My technique is pretty well established.

I might be able to trust it now.

Since the 60s hwt WR is only 1:54, I suppose it might be interesting to make a first try at the full distance at 1:52, or some such thing.

Then 1:50.

Then 1:48.

The amount of work is no problem for me, given my daily regimen on the erg and bike.

I was also a marathon runner for a quarter of a century.

So that helps, too.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 3rd, 2011, 12:16 pm

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Gus » March 3rd, 2011, 1:12 pm

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Re: Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Gus » March 3rd, 2011, 1:45 pm

sorry, double post of an off topice subject.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Gus » March 3rd, 2011, 1:45 pm

off-topic (but sure, if ranger asks for this to stop I'll stop - I've no desire to do it)

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » March 3rd, 2011, 1:46 pm

Citroen wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:
ranger wrote: Today, I put the foot stretcher up a notch and my HR dropped
Hey! I've an idea!!

Why not replace the strap on the foot stretcher w/one with more holes in it.

Keep on notching it up and
your HR will go to zero, where it belongs! :P
It's an interesting conjecture that there's a direct correlation between number of holes and HR. Only in rangertraining using rangermath, rangerphysics and rangerphysiology could you come up with such a complete pile of crap.
Which is.... why he says it.. in my estimation (IME)...

Now there's an apt acronym for this thread.... I-ME (or....all about lil ol' "i-me" the slippery and sly-me :lol: :lol: :lol:

But... to stay fockussed on ranger training:

THe picture is clear now... Just take a really hard stroke whenever you feel like it and only measure a ridiculous quotient (spi) onthe ones you think are well-rowed. Report those as " I did a lot of"

That's all there is to it.
No detailed reporting of workouts necessary!
Just vague blanket statements... w/o supporting data.

This vagueness makes it all a vaguely amusing comedy... certainly not a training thread.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 3rd, 2011, 3:56 pm

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