Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

macroth--

Have you ever won a medal of any sort at a major race venue (BIRC, WIRC, EIRC)?

The lwt 6:28 that I pulled at BIRC in 2003 has never been equalled by anyone the same age (52) and weight.

Paul Siebach is now 52, but his 2K times have fallen off to 6:35.

Ironically, I pulled that 6:28 at max drag, without even knowing how to row.

I was a complete novice.

I didn't know how to use my legs, or the logic of rowing, which achieves both high effectiveness and high efficiency with length, a quick leg drive, a light drag, and a high ratio.

As I now know and do.

ranger

[ranger]

macroth--

Have you done that 10K, 1:46 @ 23 spm (12.5 SPI)?

I thought you said you were going first.

If you do it and post the screen shot, I'll give it a go, too.

ranger

[Flipper21]

Round & Round & Round &&&&&&&&& Round we go. The same old circular crap.......yawn

BTW.

If this was the magic-round-about...... Who would ranger be?

[macroth]

macroth--

Have you ever won a medal of any sort at a major race venue (BIRC, WIRC, EIRC)?

Oh, I'm not questioning your times from 2003.

I'm questioning your current form, and your integrity.

And I never said 10K 1:43@26spm, I said as long as possible. I thought you said you were doing 20k every day. Your latest lie is to claim you take a short break every 2K. Hmm. You could take screenshots every day if you wanted.

I'll probably give it a go this week, work permitting. I don't have an erg at home. "Coming right up".

[ranger]

macroth--

Have you done that 10K, 1:46 @ 23 spm?

Where is your screen shot?

What are you waiting for?

10K is done at 2K + 8, so a 10K @ 1:46 should be easy for you.

I did 10K @ 1:46 when I was 52 years old.

And I am now _much_ better than that.

ranger

[ranger]

Oh, I'm not questioning your times from 2003.

Of course not.

They are fact.

The odd thing is why you are questioning anything that I am doing at all, given what I have done, when you can't row worth a damn yourself.

You must be one of the biggest fools on the planet.

Pretty sad affair.

ranger

[ranger]

Wow.

10K, 1:46 @ 23 spm (12.5 SPI), would make quite a statement, then, wouldn't it?

Mike VB can't even pull 500m, 1:46 @ 23 spm (12.5 SPI).

And to do 10K @ 1:46, he would rate 30 spm, hit something close to his max HR every 1K, and rest for an hour along the way so that he wouldn't croak trying.

Wow.

Sure, I think I can now do 10K, 1:46 @ 23 spm (12.5 SPI), and with just a middlin' UT1 HR (155 bpm), steady state.

119 df., 4.4-to-1 ratio

My training goal at the moment is 42K/FM, 1:46 @ 23 spm, HR, steady state, at 155 bpm.

ranger

[macroth]

macroth--

Have you done that 10K, 1:46 @ 23 spm?

It seems you're a bit confused.

This is what I originally said, based on your own training claims:

Let's see who can hold 13 SPI, 26 spm, 119 df the longest. No breaks, no heart rate limits (I don't have a HR monitor anyway), just row at 26 spm until the average creeps above 1:42 and you can't get it back down. You do 20K of this every morning at a steady UT1 HR, right? Piece of cake!

1:42@26spm. Five days ago, you said you could do 5K without a break.

Sure, I think I can now do 5K, 1:42 @ 26 spm (13 SPI).

This is supposed to be your "Save a horse, ride a cowboy" training, remember?



ranger, your 2K performances had already declined by 13 seconds over the last 8 years (6:28-6:41), to say nothing of this year's multiple handle downs at BIRC. So of course I'm questionning your training. And of course I'm questionning your integrity, since you're a narcissistic liar.

[ranger]

Ranger, your 2K performances had already declined

I haven't been prepared to race since 2003.

I have been learning to row, and so have been winging it in my races, just sticking to my training.

Investing in the future pays off.

You should try it.

When I am again fully prepared to race, I think I'll pull a lwt 6:16.

I am now rowing right at my targets.

If I do indeed pull 6:16 at 60, the swing in my 2K time, given normal expectations of decline with age, will be over a half a minute in the 2K.

32 seconds.

8 seconds per 500m.

ranger

[ranger]

macroth--

When you are 60 years old, even though you are a heavyweight, you'll pull your guts out, get only 9 SPI with your stroking, miss my 2K time by a half a minute, and like Mike VB, won't have a clue why.

You'll think it is still because you didn't work hard enough on your aerobic capacity.

Oh well.

To each his own, I guess.

As the world turns, it is always better to do what everyone else is doing and fail than to have a little common sense and succeed.

Remember:

Buy high, sell low.

ranger

[mikvan52]

MIke--

it looks as though we do 1:46 at about the same HR

I don't see how this is possible.
Please post the workout in the format i requested.

[mikvan52]

Ranger, your 2K performances had already declined

I haven't been prepared to race since 2003.

Let's not get off-subject:

Rich: Where the 1:46 pace for 10k that you said you are currently prepared for?
You are being evasive... again.

[ginster]

hmm - still waiting for that photo of you with your knees in your armpits......


but on another note... say for just one minute, that you do go on to pull a 6:16 2k lightweight @60..... ( yeah I know its unlikely, but I'm hypothesising)....

given the assertion that everyone's times decrease by a second a year ( given no technique changes), that would suggest that at the peak of your powers in your thirties , you would have been able to do a 5:50ish 2k

now, given that that would smash the 2k lightweight open record, are you

a. suggesting that you are, physiologically and technically, the most gifted lightweight erger ever -
b. decrying the suggestion that erg times decrease as you get older, given no technique changes - please provide evidence for this claim ( using yourself is not allowed, as you clearly have changed technique)
c. talking out of your arse
d. something else... please explain your reasoning...

[Yankeerunner]

a quick poll -

does anyone believe rangerboy can do any of the workouts he claims he can do? hell, he's such a lying sack of crap he probably paid the kid next door to shovel his driveway!

anyone?

Given ranger's welching on Henry and Roy I think it more likely that he hired the kid Next door to shovel his driveway and then did not pay him.

[mikvan52]

macroth--

you ...(will) miss my 2K time by a half a minute, and like Mike VB, won't have a clue why.

The only problem with this is: currently my 2k time is many seconds faster than ranger's

6:5x vs 7:0.x
Look in the rankings.