500m World Best Score?

Nosmo · Post by **Nosmo** » April 25th, 2007, 6:26 pm

Its hopeless.
I give up.
Sorry for wasting everyones time.

And Bob, next time, I post off topic to a thread I'll put "Off Topic" in the subject line so you don't have to read it.

yehster · Post by **yehster** » April 25th, 2007, 8:08 pm

Nosmo wrote:Sorry for wasting everyones time.

I found the discussion useful. I routinely do 2K pieces where I start off at ~2:00 and bring the pace down below 1:50 for the last 500M. I understood that this wasn't optimal in terms of "time" before this discussion, but now I know that looking at the average Watts on my PM2 won't reflect my "extra effort" either.

Just because you were unable to come to consensus with John about how the PM works, doesn't mean it wasn't productive.

I also know not to chase the 500M WR

Bob S. · Post by **Bob S.** » April 26th, 2007, 12:01 am

John, Paul, Nosmo,

In retrospect, my message was out of line. Certainly the thread had gotten off topic, but it seemed like you fellows were having fun and there is nothing wrong with that. I had just been speculating on whether or not Chad had paid any more attention to it after the first few messages.

Actually, I was probably mostly a little annoyed with myself. The messages did not have to be billed as "off topic." I knew what was going on and it was my own fault that I kept on reading about the differences in the models and the PMs when my association with the old ergs and monitors are a thing of the past and I have no real interest in them.

Bob S.

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 26th, 2007, 5:02 am

Interesting debate with regards to the PM1 verses PM2, went a little bit to deep for me though.

I have now moved my sprinting sessions on to the model C erg as I find the wooden handle much more suitable for sprinting sessions, it is shorter and also seems to hold the force/power better, being more solid if that makes any sense.

I have been working mainly on weights this week, strength and core work. I did a number of 300m sprints over the last few days, best score to date is 41.3 seconds for 300m which is an average 500m split of 1.08.9 r52.

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » April 26th, 2007, 7:42 am

Chad Williams wrote:Interesting debate with regards to the PM1 verses PM2, went a little bit to deep for me though.

I have now moved my sprinting sessions on to the model C erg as I find the wooden handle much more suitable for sprinting sessions, it is shorter and also seems to hold the force/power better, being more solid if that makes any sense.

I have been working mainly on weights this week, strength and core work. I did a number of 300m sprints over the last few days, best score to date is 41.3 seconds for 300m which is an average 500m split of 1.08.9 r52.

Well, it may not make sense for most folks, but that the newr handle may flex a bit for you is not completely surprising. That's very strong on the 300's, but you may want to take those shortish intervals to 1 minute, those additiional 20 seconds get pretty interesting.

Oh, and you really should look into using ErgMonitor, it will help you figure out where the fade is happening and also show even slight improvements with the stroke by stroke recall ability.

Dickie · Post by **Dickie** » April 26th, 2007, 7:46 am

Looks like you have a long way to go Chad. The current leader in the 500 this season is a 'RACE' entry for 60 seconds for 500m.

Fred Dickie

Ray79 · Post by **Ray79** » April 26th, 2007, 7:52 am

Dickie wrote:Looks like you have a long way to go Chad. The current leader in the 500 this season is a 'RACE' entry for 60 seconds for 500m.

Fred Dickie

Link?

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 26th, 2007, 8:00 am

I am having real problems with erg movement while sprinting. When I go for the World Record later in the year will I be able to secure the erg to the ground?
I am thinking of modifying one of the model C ergs by drilling bolts through the parts of the erg that are in contact with the floor.
I am going to try this over this weekend and see if I get any quicker, I need all the power to go through to the flywheel, to much power is being wasted in erg movement.

Any suggestions on ways to stop this happening?

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 26th, 2007, 8:04 am

Dickie wrote:Looks like you have a long way to go Chad. The current leader in the 500 this season is a 'RACE' entry for 60 seconds for 500m.

Fred Dickie

Eric Stansey aged 19 rowed at Tennessee Indoor Rowing Championships.

I will need to check this result out, it may be an error.

Can this be confirmed? it is entered as a "RACE" result.

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 26th, 2007, 8:12 am

I did some research and found the following.
In the same championships Eric Stansey did a 6.53.5 for the 2000m.

The results also show him rowing a 1.27.2 for the 500m at that same event

Results found at http://www.row2k.com/results/resultspag ... 7100&cat=2

C2 need to correct this.

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » April 26th, 2007, 8:25 am

Chad Williams wrote:I am having real problems with erg movement while sprinting. When I go for the World Record later in the year will I be able to secure the erg to the ground?
I am thinking of modifying one of the model C ergs by drilling bolts through the parts of the erg that are in contact with the floor.
I am going to try this over this weekend and see if I get any quicker, I need all the power to go through to the flywheel, to much power is being wasted in erg movement.

Any suggestions on ways to stop this happening?

What, you want to be yanking the entire earth around rather than just the Erg?!

Which way are you moving, the direction you are facing?

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 26th, 2007, 8:34 am

PaulS
The front of the erg is lifting of the floor when I put the power down, this is wasted force/energy.

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » April 26th, 2007, 11:01 am

Chad Williams wrote:PaulS
The front of the erg is lifting of the floor when I put the power down, this is wasted force/energy.

Ah, so it's not really traveling along the floor? A couple of strategically placed 20kg weight plates should stop the lift.

Chad Williams · Post by **Chad Williams** » April 26th, 2007, 11:10 am

PaulS wrote:Ah, so it's not really traveling along the floor? A couple of strategically placed 20kg weight plates should stop the lift.

I have had to move it to butt up against a wall to stop it sliding across the floor.

Bob S. · Post by **Bob S.** » April 26th, 2007, 11:11 am

Chad Williams wrote:PaulS
The front of the erg is lifting of the floor when I put the power down, this is wasted force/energy.

Paul and Chad,

Do you think that raising the foot boards would help to cure this? On another thread, a member, who had a lifting off the seat problem, got a significant improvement by raising the boards (of a D?) from #4 to #2. Both problems involve too much vertical movement that needs to be shifted to horizontal. I don't know the configuration of the model C stretcher, so I don't know if it is easy to change the height of the foot boards.

For those of us at the low power end of the scale, it is hard to imagine the force that it must take to lift the body off the seat or the even greater force needed to lift the front of the erg off the floor with that rather small lever ratio available, i.e. front erg foot to stretcher vs. front foot to rear foot of erg.

Bob S.

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