newbie boats and ergs

rebelrower101 · Post by **rebelrower101** » December 19th, 2006, 2:50 pm

i've only been doing rowing for about 7 months now and i have started doing 2k pieces out on the water. my times in the scull are quite good but my erg times are quite bad and showing little improvement... just asking why would my times be better in the boat rather than the erg?

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » December 19th, 2006, 3:12 pm

rebelrower101 wrote:i've only been doing rowing for about 7 months now and i have started doing 2k pieces out on the water. my times in the scull are quite good but my erg times are quite bad and showing little improvement... just asking why would my times be better in the boat rather than the erg?

If you mean you are going at faster paces in a 1x than on the Erg, it is because your speedcoach is miscalibrated, or the Erg is broken.

Perhaps you could give an example of the relative times for 2k, as it would help diagnose further.

rebelrower101 · Post by **rebelrower101** » December 19th, 2006, 3:14 pm

ok my last erg time was around 7:58 and i did a 2k in the boat in 7:46

Nosmo · Post by **Nosmo** » December 19th, 2006, 3:16 pm

Are you sculling with downstream with a tailwind

Are you very light? A smaller person will have much less drag on the water then a bigger one, so if you have a very high power to weight ratio and good techique then you can be very fast on the water. However if you are very light then your absolute power may not be very high and you will not be fast on the erg.

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » December 19th, 2006, 3:17 pm

rebelrower101 wrote:ok my last erg time was around 7:58 and i did a 2k in the boat in 7:46

And you are a lwt woman? This sort of stuff matters.

How are you measuring your 2k in the boat?

rebelrower101 · Post by **rebelrower101** » December 19th, 2006, 3:18 pm

cool thats probably wat it is cos i weigh 58kg. im the lightest one in the group i train with

rebelrower101 · Post by **rebelrower101** » December 19th, 2006, 3:19 pm

sorry man im a dude

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » December 19th, 2006, 3:28 pm

rebelrower101 wrote:sorry man im a dude

Okay, so we have a 58kg Male. How tall?

How are you measuring your 2k in the boat?
Are you sure the Erg is in good repair and functioning properly? (same result on different machines?)

Perhaps you are simply a Rowing prodigy.

rebelrower101 · Post by **rebelrower101** » December 19th, 2006, 3:31 pm

hey that works for me.... rowing prodidgy.... no eh the river where i train has life rings every 500m so i start at the first one and end at the 4th... and the coach measures the time it takes to get from A to B

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » December 19th, 2006, 3:51 pm

rebelrower101 wrote:hey that works for me.... rowing prodidgy.... no eh the river where i train has life rings every 500m so i start at the first one and end at the 4th... and the coach measures the time it takes to get from A to B

River? Now you say so. Any current?

Good luck on the prodigy thing, but I'd encourage you to check other variables first.

You would be likely to get more speed out of a 2x than you would on the Ergo, but the probability that you are faster in a 1x than on the Ergo is quite small. Boats still require certain input power, and at this point it would appear you are defying the physics of the situation.

rebelrower101 · Post by **rebelrower101** » December 19th, 2006, 3:55 pm

ok cool thanks nyway for ur help

DavidA · Post by **DavidA** » December 19th, 2006, 4:54 pm

rebelrower101 wrote:hey that works for me.... rowing prodidgy.... no eh the river where i train has life rings every 500m so i start at the first one and end at the 4th... and the coach measures the time it takes to get from A to B

If you start at the first and end at the fourth that would only be 1500 m, not 2000.

David

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » December 19th, 2006, 4:56 pm

Did you check out the weight adjustment calculator?

http://www.concept2.com/us/training/too ... stment.asp

If I entered your numbers correctly, 7:58 at 58 kg on the ergometer converts to 6:45

Byron

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » December 19th, 2006, 5:44 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:Did you check out the weight adjustment calculator?

http://www.concept2.com/us/training/too ... stment.asp

If I entered your numbers correctly, 7:58 at 58 kg on the ergometer converts to 6:45

Byron

Byron,

That's for an 8+ full of clones, and reasonably suspect for super-lwts, as that is not what it was intended for.

DavidA may be onto something (keen spotting), but that would be a very strange error for a coach to make, though perhaps a rookie could. That said, a 7:48 1500m is a 2:36 pace, a bit slow, but certainly not overly so, for a 7 month sculler.

I'd put the best case for a 200watt 2ker on the Erg at 8:32 in a 1x, but that could vary to about 8:52 quite easily.

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