Converting walking to rowing

[hjs]

This is great.

I covered 20 miles in an hour on my bicycle, covering more than twice the distance as rowing and, therefore, burning twice the number of calories! To bad we had to go through all that background noise! Or it could be that rowing is just easier than running and walking, and rowing just doesn't burn as many calories.

In fact, this is what happens. If you look at those who run and walk vs those who row, the runners and walkers, i.e. those who use their legs the most are much leaner.

Rowers don't use their legs as much, don't burn as many calories, and are heavier.

Rowing is a poweredurance sport, running just endurance.
And yes runners are lighter, if they are leaner? I don,t know, i do know they are lighter and have less muscle.

On the onther side, running is much more naturall offcause. But is is not very alround. It is focussed on endurance only. Weakpoints of an average runner are lack off strengt and lack off flexibilety. So in generall I would say running is very healty(if you are not overweight) but you need to do some crosstraining on the muscle/flexibilety side.

Erging/Rowing is more allround, and much more friendly for less healty people. Due to the smooth movement's even people with jointproblems can train. I myself am a example for this, due to a back injuree I am not able to run, not even to jog for 1 mile orso. And I used to run a lot before my problem. Rowing on the other hand doesn,t give me much problems. I do have backpain but it is not effected bye my rowing.

[tennstrike]

In other words during the same 15 minutes the rower will burn more than twice as many calories as the walker.

Doc:

Thanks for your posts here. Backing up the intuitive, common sense gut feeling with a little data. Miss reading more of your posts from the old forum on the Wolverine Plan thread.

[ancho]

John Rupp, I never know if you are serious or you are just kidding us...

[johnlvs2run]

Very serious, Ancho.

Take a look at competitive runners and they are VERY very lean, compared to the typical rower who is bulky, overweight, and doesn't have the same fitness. Look at Xeno, for example. He is 250 pounds!



Come on give me a break.

250 pounds!

Please don't try to tell me he is burning calories with his rowing.

Now take a look at competitive runners, and this is where you see all round fitness. Runners are leaner than even tour de france cyclists and cross country skiiers!

[holm188]

Very serious, Ancho.

Take a look at competitive runners and they are VERY very lean, compared to the typical rower who is bulky, overweight, and doesn't have the same fitness. Look at Xeno, for example. He is 250 pounds!



Come on give me a break.

250 pounds!

Please don't try to tell me he is burning calories with his rowing.

Now take a look at competitive runners, and this is where you see all round fitness. Runners are leaner than even tour de france cyclists and cross country skiiers!

Usually only my kids make me laugh that much, but John that one is excellent!!!

[hjs]

didn,t know Xeno was still racing?

I thought he was retired and just trained a bit cause he likes to eat.

lot's

[johnlvs2run]

didn,t know Xeno was still racing?

I thought he was retired and just trained a bit cause he likes to eat.

lot's

Yes, that is rowing for you.

No comparison.

[hjs]

didn,t know Xeno was still racing?

I thought he was retired and just trained a bit cause he likes to eat.

lot's

Yes, that is rowing for you.

No comparison.

How come all off a sudden I in the picture. I never dis sport's to loose weight.
You must be thinking off yourself. You are the long slow K man. ).

[Steelhead]

I hike, walk, jog, cycle, and erg.

I walk 3 miles per hour and that burns about 300 calories per hour.
I jog 6 miles per hour and that burns about 720 calories per hour.
When I hike, it depends on the terrain.
When I cycle, I ride about 14 miles per hour and that equals 700 calories (about 50 calories per mile on a bike versus 120 calories per mile jogging).
When I erg for one hour I burn about 800 calories (based on the PM3).

So just because a person rides twice as many miles on a bicycle as she does rowing on an erg, she does not burn twice the calories.

Other than hiking, the erg burns more calories per hour. I've noticed that some people row so slow and with such a low drag factor that they really don't burn that many calories -- and in that case they (but only they) could burn more calories riding a bike than using an erg, just as a person getting up will burn more calories than if he stays in bed all day. For the rest of us, the science is correct: the erg when used properly burns more calories than bicycling. (BTW, bicycling outside is much more fun than using an erg indoors.)

Cheers.

[johnlvs2run]

Cyclists are leaner than rowers.

Thus cycling burns more calories than does rowing.

[runr/rowr]

mike, good point on the walking versus jogging as burning calories, but if you ran for an hour you would burn more calories. there is a difference between running and jogging. just as there is a difference in completing a marathon, and racing a marathon.
this may sound strange to some of you, but john has a very valid point in endurance athletes.
runr/rowr

[Steelhead]

Oh, I agree completely about the running versus the jogging; I don't run anymore is all or I would have some stats on my running to share. The formula for calorie expenditure is based on time and force and since more force is required in running versus jogging calorie expenditure does increase; using a bicycle with gears reduces the force vis-a-vis walking; hence, the 50 calories per mile for a bicycle (at 14 mph -- a faster pace burns more calories) and the 100 calories per mile for walking.

When I used to run (the 440), doing wind sprints really burned the calories per hour versus doing long runs, but one can run much longer than one can sprint; hence, the runner will burn more calories than the sprinter over a long run versus a short sprint.

What this leads to is interval training -- combining the sprint, the run, and the walk mutatis mutandis to the erg for effective calorie burning and weight loss. As for John's ideas, even a clock is right twice a day.

When I used to cycle every day, I did lose upper body muscle and I got real skinny. When I started to erg, I gained back my upper body muscle. I was leaner as a cyclyst than as a rower; when I started power lifting I gained a tremendous amount of muscle and fat. A cyclyst can ride much longer than a rower can row because of the gears on a bicycle, and other factors; for example, now that I cross-train, I can ride hard for several hours without any real fatigue, but if I row hard for several hours I just can't keep up the pace, and I end up having to row with a very low drag factor if I want to row as long as I ride. The exercises are completely different and ipso facto stating that some cyclists are leaner than some rowers means that cycling burns more calories than does rowing is illogical, invalid, and basically a meaningless statement. But just as a clock tells the correct time twice a day even if it doesn't work, people can make all kinds of attempts at valid arguments even if their premises are false but their conclusion is right sometimes.

Whatever.

[johnlvs2run]

As for John's ideas, even a clock is right twice a day.

My clocks are right all the time.

Maybe yours need new batteries.

[ragiarn]

Automobiles, trucks and motorcycles burn calories but bikes rowing machines and treadmills do not people who use them burn calories. How many calories a person burns doing any particular activity is based on a number intrinsic and extrinsic variables.

The most important single factor in how many calories can burned by an individual is their VO2 max- capacity. "It is well understood in all exercise physiology and nutrition texts that for every liter of oxygen consumed, approximately 5 calories are burned".(Exercise After-Burn: Research Update By Chantal A. Vella, Ph.D. & Len Kravitz, Ph.D.).

Except for anaerobic work, which is always limited in endurance activities, the amount of calories an individual burns in any givien activity is directly proportional to the amount of oxygen consumed during the activity by that individual.

How many calories a person burns when rowing, cycling or running on a treadmill will be determined by the intensity with which they perform these activities and not the machine.

An individual who performs each of the above activites at the same intensity will burn the same amount of calories. Outside the metabolic lab the best way to gauge the intensity level is your heart rate. So if an individual performs each of the above activities at a heart rate of 150 he/she will burn the same number calories in each activity.

The heart rate is driven by oxygen demand and there is a linear relationship between heart rate and oxygen consumption up to the 100% VO2 max- which coincides with 100% maximum heart rate.

The individuals ability to train at or near their VO2 max in each activity will be determined by the individuals training in each activity.

How many calories an individual can burn doing each of the mentioned acitivitis will not only be determined by the intensity but by how long they can perform thes activities at any given intensity.

I have been riding a bicycle since 1984 and when I have been training seriously on my bike I have no difficulty in riding 100 miles in the hilly terrain of New England. But I have only been rowing for the past two years and rowing 1-2 hrs is difficult for me. (I have no trouble spinning for 1-2 hrs) Yet there are rowers who are able to row continuously for what I consider ridiculous amounts of time. It has taken me 2 years to row 4 million meters and presently there is one individual on the annual meter board who has already rowed 4 million meters since the beginning of May and is projected to row 24 million meters for the year.

Some individuals have no trouble running marathons and some even run ultramarathons of up to > 200 miles. At present I don't think I could run two miles since it has been several years since I last used a treadmill.

As for which activity has the leanest athletes I guess it depends on your definition of lean. According to Websters dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/lean) Lean: 1 a : lacking or deficient in flesh b : containing little or no fat. SKINNY means thin because of an absence of excess flesh whereas LEAN stresses lack of fat and of curving contours. I suspect that John Rupp is using lean to mean skinny. There many elite athletes who are very muscular yet lean (meaning low % body fat). Rowers tend to fall into the latter category since irowing considered a power-endurance activity.

I am sure that the arguments will continue to rage on about which activity burns more calories but I personally think that the argument is probably a waste of energy which could better be utilized to row your erg, ride your bike or run on your treadmill.

[hjs]

nice posting Ralph,

we will await what Jr will think off, to ridicule it