Super new product I swear by to complement your Concept2!!!!

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » May 5th, 2006, 5:47 pm

For 5 bucks you can make one, and save the other 145.

Alledieps · Post by **Alledieps** » May 8th, 2006, 3:46 pm

Well I understand that a swiveling seat would be good for scullers' technique and balance, but what about sweep rowing. Obviously, you have to rotate a little weight out to the sides, so I'm not sure if this will help me or not. If it does, maybe only with setting up the boat at the finish.

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » May 8th, 2006, 5:23 pm

Alledieps wrote:Well I understand that a swiveling seat would be good for scullers' technique and balance, but what about sweep rowing. Obviously, you have to rotate a little weight out to the sides, so I'm not sure if this will help me or not. If it does, maybe only with setting up the boat at the finish.

Perhaps you should rethink what you are stating to be "obvious", but yes, any rower that must balance a boat will benefit from the CP1. I know it's not a trivial cost to give it a try, but now having several customers feedback, I'd be very surprised to find anyone who is serious about their rowing training to be disappointed in the benefit and value once they do try it. Take the plunge, it's going to do you more good than the same amount invested in private lessons, though those are quite a good value also.

Alledieps · Post by **Alledieps** » May 8th, 2006, 6:37 pm

I'm awaiting John Rupp's counter-argument to your post haha

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » May 8th, 2006, 7:13 pm

Alledieps wrote:I'm awaiting John Rupp's counter-argument to your post haha

Hmmm......

Cayenne · Post by **Cayenne** » May 8th, 2006, 8:16 pm

A page or so back on this thread I asked how this differs from an unstable seat wedge/cushion. I have no present intention to row on water. Anyone knowledgable that could address this question would have my appreciation.

Thanks.

Andy Nield · Post by **Andy Nield** » May 9th, 2006, 4:59 am

Someone posted a movie of Xeno testing out this seat and it definitely looks great! Maybe i should start saving up soon. If anyone can repost that link, that'd be cool. (I think it was Xeno himself)

http://web.mac.com/xenoralfmuller/iWeb/ ... rform.html

Hey Xeno, you should be a presenter on the shopping channel...

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » May 9th, 2006, 10:51 am

Alledieps wrote:I'm awaiting John Rupp's counter-argument to your post haha

For 5 bucks you can make one, and save the other 145.

Cayenne · Post by **Cayenne** » May 9th, 2006, 9:52 pm

I've been advised that the Core Perform will help with on-water rowing, but not much so with erging. Anyone care to comment ?

An explanation to go along with your answer will also be appreciated.

Thanks !

Alledieps · Post by **Alledieps** » May 9th, 2006, 10:19 pm

John Rupp wrote:
Alledieps wrote:I'm awaiting John Rupp's counter-argument to your post haha
For 5 bucks you can make one, and save the other 145.

There it is! haha. Now all you need to do is post instructions for the assembly and construction for one of these, and I'm good.

Alissa · Post by **Alissa** » May 10th, 2006, 5:25 am

Cayenne wrote:I've been advised that the Core Perform will help with on-water rowing, but not much so with erging. Anyone care to comment ?

An explanation to go along with your answer will also be appreciated.

Thanks !

I'm not sure who's advising you, but I suspect the issue is what you're trying accomplish with the Core Perform. It should absolutely help with developing a strong core/stable torso supporting both your abs and your back. Those things are important for erging (as well as walking around and general good posture). But maybe you're core/abs/back are already well-enough supported/strong enough?

I'm guessing that your advisor was suggesting that the balance-development aspects of using the Core Perform (which has been particularly lauded by some) isn't necessary in erging (particularly competitive venue erging where you won't be using a Core Perform seat).

So I suspect it depends what you want from it, whether it would help when erging.

HTH,

Alissa

ETC: spelling

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » May 10th, 2006, 11:15 am

Alissa wrote:whether it would help when erging

Like scrapping fingernails on a blackboard.... yikes!

almostflipped · Post by **almostflipped** » May 10th, 2006, 4:49 pm

I was the one advising Cayenne, and you are correct in my thought process. The Core Platform appears to be a balance training product, one of many that are the current fad among salesmen. For high performance athletes who are working with areas of instability (otw small boat rowers, football runners with their ankles, gymnasts in general, etc...) these tools can be highly valuable to simulate conditions that may occur during competition and thus train both the large muscles as well as proprioceptors. However for the average person who is just staying in shape or who is working on a stable platform such as an erg, there is little to no need for balance training. The core strength needed to maintain a stable and solid connection through the stroke can be developed for free through 5-10' of abdominal exercises done 2-3x a week.

Cayenne · Post by **Cayenne** » May 10th, 2006, 5:18 pm

Almost Flipped...Thank you !

I appreciate your analysis. Balance training and cost issues aside, would the CP device enhance erg training beyond a "stand alone" core strengthening program ?

My biggest "issue" is low back concerns. I appreciated Xeno's recent post stating that, with proper technique rowing can be the best thing for the low back. I'm wondering if the CP can help in that department.

Also, as per my original post in this thread, I wonder if an unstable seat cushion would accomplish the same result ?

almostflipped · Post by **almostflipped** » May 10th, 2006, 6:20 pm

Balance training and cost issues aside, would the CP device enhance erg training beyond a "stand alone" core strengthening program ?

I must say upfront, I have not used this item. My analysis is based on what I have heard about it and what I have seen using other forms of balance training. In all likelihood, I would say yes if this item works as it is claimed it ought to enhance the workout. The question would really be, how much would you notice if not then applying the gains in a similar motion. Most of the benefit of an unstable platform comes from the stimulus of proprioceptors (simply stated, these sense changes in your body position and allow for the small adjustments necessary to maintain stability and balance). However in day to day activity you will not need the specific fine motor coordination that this may develop. Does it hurt to have such coordination? No. Is it needed? If you have previously sustained an injury, yes it likely is however it ought to be conducted under trained supervision. If you haven't been previously injured, I am as of yet unconvinced although I do keep an open mind. If someone has experience to the contrary or specific research I would be very willing to hear/read it.

Regarding your question on the unstable seat cushion, it is an interesting idea and may be worth some comparison. Just make sure you secure it well.

As an aside, what are the odds of being injured using this device due to the instability? On the water, you have a great deal of instability however lack of technique often prevents people from pulling hard enough to injure themselves prior to developing the necessary balance. On the erg though, I could see a person having a greater ability to push too hard too soon. Can anyone with experience with this device comment?

Edit: Added last 2 paragraphs.