New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by iain » December 20th, 2024, 12:16 pm

PleaseLockIn wrote:
December 20th, 2024, 11:23 am
Maybe tomorrow on the 3 x 2k 3R i could warm up with a 2k and THEN maybe break 2:00 2k? It's to show myself I can do a sub-8 minute 2k. Then I will simply lengthen it to 7500m and also reduce the stroke rate.
Good luck!
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by alex9026 » December 20th, 2024, 12:28 pm

PleaseLockIn wrote:
December 20th, 2024, 11:23 am
PS. This 4" and 36kg weight advantage is very, very significant. I am training 6x a week with some other weights/callisthenics training and even now i am not sure how far i can go for the 2k.
You'd do well to focus on the positives and the things YOU have control of. Take a look at Sakly's training (absolutely not to try replicate it!). Sure he won't mind me saying he's not your typical "rowers build" but just consistently knuckles down with a positive attitude and has impressive times right across the board, that a lot of 6'2+ 90kg erg'ers would be happy with. It CAN be done.
Nomark wrote:
December 20th, 2024, 10:17 am
I mostly post on the Pete Plan thread but I feel like I can post an update here. Managed to break an 8 minute 2k finally. 1.59.3 @27 7.57.3.

Hopefully more to come as it was the third rep of a 3x2000.
Brilliant, a nice milestone ticked off and if this was the last of a block of intervals, you've absolutely got more to give.
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1min 368 500m 1:26 2k 6:24 5k 17:27

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Sakly » December 20th, 2024, 5:44 pm

alex9026 wrote:
December 20th, 2024, 12:28 pm
PleaseLockIn wrote:
December 20th, 2024, 11:23 am
PS. This 4" and 36kg weight advantage is very, very significant. I am training 6x a week with some other weights/callisthenics training and even now i am not sure how far i can go for the 2k.
You'd do well to focus on the positives and the things YOU have control of. Take a look at Sakly's training (absolutely not to try replicate it!). Sure he won't mind me saying he's not your typical "rowers build" but just consistently knuckles down with a positive attitude and has impressive times right across the board, that a lot of 6'2+ 90kg erg'ers would be happy with. It CAN be done.
Thx for your kind words, don't mind you saying that B) :lol:
I know I won't break any world records, but I also know being barely HWT and not very tall, my times are competitive to some degree :)
It's all about willpower and putting in the work.
Nomark wrote:
December 20th, 2024, 10:17 am
I mostly post on the Pete Plan thread but I feel like I can post an update here. Managed to break an 8 minute 2k finally. 1.59.3 @27 7.57.3.

Hopefully more to come as it was the third rep of a 3x2000.
Definitely more to come! Well done :!:
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » December 21st, 2024, 3:47 am

PleaseLockIn wrote:
December 20th, 2024, 11:23 am
PS. This 4" and 36kg weight advantage is very, very significant. I am training 6x a week with some other weights/callisthenics training and even now i am not sure how far i can go for the 2k.
Don't lose sight of the fact that you're only 18. There are some ergzillas out there that are the finished article at 18, others take time to develop and grow into it.

It's a long journey and it will never be a linear path of progress, so your focus needs to stay on what you can do better with what you've got at this moment in time.

You may grow taller, you'll almost certainly put on weight but what that will mean in terms of pace is to be determined. Grit and willpower will play a part and understanding mindset so you use it to your advantage will definitely be beneficial. I'd highly recommend reading / listening to Dr Steve Peters ''The Chimp Paradox' book.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

"You reap what you row"

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by PleaseLockIn » December 21st, 2024, 7:52 am

Dangerscouse wrote:
December 21st, 2024, 3:47 am
PleaseLockIn wrote:
December 20th, 2024, 11:23 am
PS. This 4" and 36kg weight advantage is very, very significant. I am training 6x a week with some other weights/callisthenics training and even now i am not sure how far i can go for the 2k.
Don't lose sight of the fact that you're only 18. There are some ergzillas out there that are the finished article at 18, others take time to develop and grow into it.

It's a long journey and it will never be a linear path of progress, so your focus needs to stay on what you can do better with what you've got at this moment in time.

You may grow taller, you'll almost certainly put on weight but what that will mean in terms of pace is to be determined. Grit and willpower will play a part and understanding mindset so you use it to your advantage will definitely be beneficial. I'd highly recommend reading / listening to Dr Steve Peters ''The Chimp Paradox' book.
I haven't grown taller since 16, and have only gained a few kilos since then. My training was inconsistent for personal reasons and other factors. Being involved in various conflicts, arguments etc. didn't help me at all.

7:58.3 2k, which is sub-8 as planned, but NOT below Nomark's time of 7:57.3 which he achieved despite it being the last interval and having horrible pacing.

I visualized myself completing it... warmed up well with SS pace and then went on brief bursts of 1:59 to warm up fully... and kept good pacing. My splits were 2:00.x, 2:00, 1:59.x and 1:58.x. I started at r27 but increased to r28-r29. The last 500m was badly paced - sprinted too early to 1:55 from 1500m to 1625m and had to back off to 2:00, only pushing to 1:59 by the end.

I began losing vision at ~1600m and fought to hang on for dear life by then. My heart rate was probably 200+ then. At the end I was probably ~215 or so. His 2k time is a literal second faster even with very terrible pacing and it being in the last of an interval.

But yes i will definitely read the book!
Nomark wrote:
December 20th, 2024, 10:17 am
I mostly post on the Pete Plan thread but I feel like I can post an update here. Managed to break an 8 minute 2k finally. 1.59.3 @27 7.57.3.

Hopefully more to come as it was the third rep of a 3x2000.
Nice! I tried beating you but came a second short and my rate was 1 spm higher.

This is despite me having the psychological advantage (as i know a target to aim for), the exhaustion advantage (me doing it in a 3x2k 3R where the first and last are warm up and cool down), rate advantage...

(https://www.concept2.com/training/vo2ma ... Rjwk-1f9qQ)

My VO2 max is ~52.6 while your calculated one is ~38 (though your pacing is off, maybe your real VO2 max is 40).

At least we know we should do SS at 2k+20 to 2k+25. Some people say do it at 55% of our 2k watts...

Honestly? If you wanted to... you could jump to the Pete Plan 5k like I am doing right now from few weeks of the BPP. However your SS would need to be very easy and the intervals push hard. Just showing that it IS indeed possible - even if I had to give up most of my strength training to do so. At least I can do 35kg x 4 barbell curls
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B4 BPP (8 weeks fooling): 23:02:x@r26-27 5k, 8:39:x@r28-29 2k, 1:59:x 500m@r32 (both NOT full effort)
B4 PP 5k (5wk BPP): 10k UT2SS 2:19.9@r18, 4*800 r2 2:03@r25, TT 6900m 30r20
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by iain » December 23rd, 2024, 5:37 am

Well done both on he sub-8s. comparisons to other ergers can lead to frustration and 2k is not the optimum distance for many. PLI, how to pace the end is a personal thing and may also depend upon mental state. Most of us enter the last 500 having used much of our determination to get through the "deadzone" of the 3rd 500, well done in going quicker through that. There is no one size fits all, but on a hard 2k dropping 4S in pace 500 out is ambitious. I push for 25 strokes trying to ensure full strong strokes, usually drop 2S by the 2nd or 3rd stroke, but drop to 1S quicker shortly afterwards. Then I can push for another 15 with a raised rating (NOT all out sprint) which usually takes me a little faster before doing an all out 10 strokes then shortening up as required to maintain the pace as best I can through the finish. But that won't be right for all. The key is to try not to slow and definitely cross the line going quicker than you were when you started speeding up (as otherwise delaying it would have given a better result!).
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by MPx » December 24th, 2024, 6:27 pm

I've been spouting off to one of my training partners about how he could be quicker at the 1min. Thought maybe I should try taking my own advice! Being a Tuesday, was sprints night tonight and only needing a short session to get my 200k for the holiday challenge it was a good opportunity. Managed 355m which actually only equals rather than beats my lifetime best, but it is 1m further than my existing 65+ age group British Record so well chuffed with that.

Have a great Christmas everyone - I know I will!
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Sakly » December 25th, 2024, 2:28 am

MPx wrote:
December 24th, 2024, 6:27 pm
I've been spouting off to one of my training partners about how he could be quicker at the 1min. Thought maybe I should try taking my own advice! Being a Tuesday, was sprints night tonight and only needing a short session to get my 200k for the holiday challenge it was a good opportunity. Managed 355m which actually only equals rather than beats my lifetime best, but it is 1m further than my existing 65+ age group British Record so well chuffed with that.

Have a great Christmas everyone - I know I will!
Great result, Mike!
How quick was your training partner?
Merry Christmas to you :)
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
My log

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by MPx » December 25th, 2024, 7:01 am

Sakly wrote:
December 25th, 2024, 2:28 am
How quick was your training partner?
Thanks Sascha. TP was 356 last time out (age 74!) but I'm pretty confident he's capable of 360.
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Dangerscouse » December 25th, 2024, 7:01 am

MPx wrote:
December 24th, 2024, 6:27 pm
I've been spouting off to one of my training partners about how he could be quicker at the 1min. Thought maybe I should try taking my own advice! Being a Tuesday, was sprints night tonight and only needing a short session to get my 200k for the holiday challenge it was a good opportunity. Managed 355m which actually only equals rather than beats my lifetime best, but it is 1m further than my existing 65+ age group British Record so well chuffed with that.

Have a great Christmas everyone - I know I will!
Fantastic result Mike, really pleased for you.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

"You reap what you row"

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by MPx » December 25th, 2024, 7:16 am

Dangerscouse wrote:
December 25th, 2024, 7:01 am
Fantastic result Mike, really pleased for you.
Thanks Stu - was a lovely early pressie!
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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by nick rockliff » December 25th, 2024, 7:29 am

MPx wrote:
December 24th, 2024, 6:27 pm
I've been spouting off to one of my training partners about how he could be quicker at the 1min. Thought maybe I should try taking my own advice! Being a Tuesday, was sprints night tonight and only needing a short session to get my 200k for the holiday challenge it was a good opportunity. Managed 355m which actually only equals rather than beats my lifetime best, but it is 1m further than my existing 65+ age group British Record so well chuffed with that.

Have a great Christmas everyone - I know I will!
Nice going, I see you did a great 2k too. Have a great Christmas.
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PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6

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Re: New Personal Best! Brag About That New Pb!

Post by Sakly » December 25th, 2024, 7:30 am

MPx wrote:
December 25th, 2024, 7:01 am
Sakly wrote:
December 25th, 2024, 2:28 am
How quick was your training partner?
Thanks Sascha. TP was 356 last time out (age 74!) but I'm pretty confident he's capable of 360.
Wow, both impressive numbers from you, especially given the ages!
20-30 years younger, I'm within that range hitting "only" 358m :lol:
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:39.6
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
My log

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