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[iain]

Thanks Stu/Sascha - appreciated...and certainly made me smile!

Hopefully I will experience the same for my 100 some day

Seriously, we shouldn't be recommending this, do you really want other's bad backs on your conscience? Personally my pitiful 100M was set on the 3rd attempt. When the spirit takes me this way, after the sort of warm up I would tend to use for 1k, I do a slow starting 100m rest a few mins then go for it. I use a much lower DF than most for these (typically around 140), but the first stroke is a real wrench before a half slide stroke to get the erg moving, not recommended for the back and usually do last couple of strokes with little slide to get in an extra stroke at the end!

[Sakly]

Thanks Stu/Sascha - appreciated...and certainly made me smile!

Hopefully I will experience the same for my 100 some day

Seriously, we shouldn't be recommending this, do you really want other's bad backs on your conscience? Personally my pitiful 100M was set on the 3rd attempt. When the spirit takes me this way, after the sort of warm up I would tend to use for 1k, I do a slow starting 100m rest a few mins then go for it. I use a much lower DF than most for these (typically around 140), but the first stroke is a real wrench before a half slide stroke to get the erg moving, not recommended for the back and usually do last couple of strokes with little slide to get in an extra stroke at the end!

No recommendation anywhere to be found. And for short stuff I never would give any, as this is really very individual how you approach this.
My quote was more related to the thing, I wish to fall below sub 16s by accident, when randomly trying the 100m next time

[Dangerscouse]

Seriously, we shouldn't be recommending this, do you really want other's bad backs on your conscience?

Rest assured, I will not be trying it. I know it will be a bad idea in every way

[MPx]

Seriously, we shouldn't be recommending this, do you really want other's bad backs on your conscience?

Iain, it was just a poor attempt by me share a smile at a slightly absurd situation. Hard to believe that anyone would read the post and take it as a recommendation of how to improve a PB! However, in all seriousness, I often read warning posts on here about the potential for serious back injury on the erg. My experience is the opposite. Regular use of the erg over many years has made my back much stronger and I now get to take liberties on occasion (doing DIY/Home/Garden stuff) that my back would never have been strong enough to cope with had I not had all the training.

[Sakly]

However, in all seriousness, I often read warning posts on here about the potential for serious back injury on the erg. My experience is the opposite. Regular use of the erg over many years has made my back much stronger and I now get to take liberties on occasion (doing DIY/Home/Garden stuff) that my back would never have been strong enough to cope with had I not had all the training.

+1
Even only 2 1/2 years of regular use let my back feel rock solid. And I had already a strong back before.

[nick rockliff]

However, in all seriousness, I often read warning posts on here about the potential for serious back injury on the erg. My experience is the opposite. Regular use of the erg over many years has made my back much stronger and I now get to take liberties on occasion (doing DIY/Home/Garden stuff) that my back would never have been strong enough to cope with had I not had all the training.

+1
Even only 2 1/2 years of regular use let my back feel rock solid. And I had already a strong back before.

Over 22 years for me and no back problems through using the erg.

I always smile when I see an interval session as the CTC challenge and it says rolling starts allowed. I've never used a rolling start for anything, it feels like cheating to me. I suppose that came about from the bad back warning brigade.

[Sakly]

However, in all seriousness, I often read warning posts on here about the potential for serious back injury on the erg. My experience is the opposite. Regular use of the erg over many years has made my back much stronger and I now get to take liberties on occasion (doing DIY/Home/Garden stuff) that my back would never have been strong enough to cope with had I not had all the training.

+1
Even only 2 1/2 years of regular use let my back feel rock solid. And I had already a strong back before.

Over 22 years for me and no back problems through using the erg.

I always smile when I see an interval session as the CTC challenge and it says rolling starts allowed. I've never used a rolling start for anything, it feels like cheating to me. I suppose that came about from the bad back warning brigade.

Rolling starts probably allowed, as it would be very difficult to check, if you didn't use a rolling start for consecutive intervals. In fact it could only be checked by analysis of the stroke data and not everyone records them at all.
If you are good at this timing stuff for rolling starts, it will improve your times as well, but that's the same advantage for all.

[iain]

Point taken, I agree that this was not recommended and most would not attempt this. I was just worried that some inexperienced erger might see the 100m PB and think that this was worth a go as I still find people who believe that the warm up has sapped their strength for the TT! Hence stressing that I have found later attempts to be faster.

I haven't had a back interval from sprints, but I have never launched into them without a warm up either. I think the risk is from dubious technique, but in the adrenalin fuelled moment wrenching the first couple of strokes is easily done when the start is so crucial.

[HornetMaX]

Anything under 2:00/500m pace, I warm up 10min minimum. I also warm up for any time trial.
Better safe than sorry (especially for back injuries).

[Dangerscouse]

However, in all seriousness, I often read warning posts on here about the potential for serious back injury on the erg. My experience is the opposite. Regular use of the erg over many years has made my back much stronger and I now get to take liberties on occasion (doing DIY/Home/Garden stuff) that my back would never have been strong enough to cope with had I not had all the training.

I know my lower back is fragile, but that's probably due to my specific physiology. I know that a 100m thrash is a bad idea for me, but that's purely me, and I honestly think I've only had back issues due to poor technique years ago, and in recent years when my back has been an issue due to other reasons.

[iain]

I know my lower back is fragile, but that's probably due to my specific physiology. I know that a 100m thrash is a bad idea for me, but that's purely me, and I honestly think I've only had back issues due to poor technique years ago, and in recent years when my back has been an issue due to other reasons.

The trouble is for many technique deteriorates as we get tired. Also it is too easy to compensate for a tired back in ways that can harm our backs (eg slumping/bad posture/poor lifting technique (I'm thinking around the house rather than in the gym when people usually pay more attention). I'm sure that fresh my back is stronger than it would have been without rowing, but I don't get the benefit when it is tired!

Sorry for taking thread off course (unless someone wants to report their most back injuries in a month

[MPx]

I know my lower back is fragile..., and I honestly think I've only had back issues due to poor technique years ago...

I might suggest another factor for you Stu is your volume. You regularly knock out an HM or equivalent in a session - often erging for 90mins or more. That is a long time for a repetitive movement no matter how fit you are. Endurance athletes are prone to all sorts of injuries just from the pounding their body sustains. Us sprinters maybe a bit gung ho, but we're only doing it for a fraction of the time that you put in.

[Dangerscouse]

I might suggest another factor for you Stu is your volume. You regularly knock out an HM or equivalent in a session - often erging for 90mins or more. That is a long time for a repetitive movement no matter how fit you are. Endurance athletes are prone to all sorts of injuries just from the pounding their body sustains. Us sprinters maybe a bit gung ho, but we're only doing it for a fraction of the time that you put in.

Yeah, good point and that probably is an issue now, but it's always been a bit fragile.

I had an issue years ago due to chronically tight hips, especially my right hip flexor that gave me a lot of back issues that I fixed with going to the chiropractor until I realised I needed to stretch more. I still wonder if this has left a slightly vulnerable back as a result?

[Joshua75643]

Pb today of 342 meters in the 1 min distance. previous was 339 set 3 yrs ago. This was done controlled and not flat out. I did 350 in 1.01.
6. Flat out I reckon I could have done more. The reason for controlled row was that this is part of a build up for a 500m distance training.

[Dangerscouse]

Pb today of 342 meters in the 1 min distance. previous was 339 set 3 yrs ago. This was done controlled and not flat out.

Congratulations, great result