Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by johnlvs2run » August 18th, 2023, 12:01 am

GlennUk wrote:
January 23rd, 2023, 5:59 am
I set my erg to just row, do a start for 4-5 strokes, watching the monitor so see when it records the fastest pace. then stop, wait for the flywheel to stop, then repeat about 10x.
How do you know when the flywheel stops?
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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by HornetMaX » August 21st, 2023, 5:40 am

MPx wrote:
January 23rd, 2023, 7:14 am
IMO (for example) Sascha's numbers show a much more admirable spread of scores covering what the sport is really all about.
Makes me wonder: do we have a scoring system across different rowing events, something that converts your performance (time or rowed meters) to points via an event-specific table and then you add your points across a given set of events, "a la decathlon" ?

That would be interesting to measure if you are a one trick pony or a jack of all trades.

You could even have different sets like:
  • core: 1K, 2K and 5K
  • extended range: core + 500m + HM
  • do it all: extended range + 1min + FM
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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by Sakly » August 21st, 2023, 5:58 am

HornetMaX wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 5:40 am
MPx wrote:
January 23rd, 2023, 7:14 am
IMO (for example) Sascha's numbers show a much more admirable spread of scores covering what the sport is really all about.
Makes me wonder: do we have a scoring system across different rowing events, something that converts your performance (time or rowed meters) to points via an event-specific table and then you add your points across a given set of events, "a la decathlon" ?

That would be interesting to measure if you are a one trick pony or a jack of all trades.

You could even have different sets like:
  • core: 1K, 2K and 5K
  • extended range: core + 500m + HM
  • do it all: extended range + 1min + FM
Currently kind of competition like this is planned by Row Along, see this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=207575
Sounds really good, but not sure to take part yet...
Male - '80 - 82kg - 177cm - Start rowErg Jan 2022
1': 358m
4': 1217m
30'r20: 8068m
30': 8,283m
60': 16,222m
100m: 0:15.9
500m: 1:26.0
1k: 3:07.8
2k: 6:37.1
5k: 17:26.2
6k: 21:03.5
10k: 36:01.5
HM: 1:18:40.1
FM: 2:52:32.6
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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by HornetMaX » August 21st, 2023, 6:27 am

Sakly wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 5:58 am
HornetMaX wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 5:40 am
MPx wrote:
January 23rd, 2023, 7:14 am
IMO (for example) Sascha's numbers show a much more admirable spread of scores covering what the sport is really all about.
Makes me wonder: do we have a scoring system across different rowing events, something that converts your performance (time or rowed meters) to points via an event-specific table and then you add your points across a given set of events, "a la decathlon" ?
Currently kind of competition like this is planned by Row Along, see this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=207575
Sounds really good, but not sure to take part yet...
Interesting, but not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking something you can use in the logbook (with your PBs), and maybe closer to what is done in track&field decathlon: examples http://www.ten7events.com/m10pts/ and http://www.ten7events.com/10-decathlon/ ... ts-graphs/.

We could use tables like these ones (https://rowinglevel.com/rowing-times/2000m-times) with a simple point system on top.
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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by KeithT » August 21st, 2023, 8:42 am

HornetMaX wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 6:27 am
Sakly wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 5:58 am
HornetMaX wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 5:40 am

Makes me wonder: do we have a scoring system across different rowing events, something that converts your performance (time or rowed meters) to points via an event-specific table and then you add your points across a given set of events, "a la decathlon" ?
Currently kind of competition like this is planned by Row Along, see this thread: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=207575
Sounds really good, but not sure to take part yet...
Interesting, but not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking something you can use in the logbook (with your PBs), and maybe closer to what is done in track&field decathlon: examples http://www.ten7events.com/m10pts/ and http://www.ten7events.com/10-decathlon/ ... ts-graphs/.

We could use tables like these ones (https://rowinglevel.com/rowing-times/2000m-times) with a simple point system on top.
I love the idea as I always prided myself on having good scores across the board. One year I had everything from 500m to FM in the 95% percentile and I know Sasha did a similar goal. Not sure enough people care about all the different distances but it's a good show of overall abilities.
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1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1305m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41

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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by Elizabeth » August 21st, 2023, 9:30 am

HornetMaX wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 5:40 am
MPx wrote:
January 23rd, 2023, 7:14 am
IMO (for example) Sascha's numbers show a much more admirable spread of scores covering what the sport is really all about.
Makes me wonder: do we have a scoring system across different rowing events, something that converts your performance (time or rowed meters) to points via an event-specific table and then you add your points across a given set of events, "a la decathlon" ?

That would be interesting to measure if you are a one trick pony or a jack of all trades.

You could even have different sets like:
  • core: 1K, 2K and 5K
  • extended range: core + 500m + HM
  • do it all: extended range + 1min + FM
You may be interested in the Nonathlon:
https://www.nonathlon.com/
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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by HornetMaX » August 21st, 2023, 9:54 am

Elizabeth wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 9:30 am
You may be interested in the Nonathlon:
https://www.nonathlon.com/
Yes, that's more like it. However the number of participants is tiny: 43 for the current season, 75 for the past one and a max in the past 20 years that seem to be a bit more than 100. I guess having the same idea integrated in the concept2 logbook would make it more popular.

Personal opinion: the 10 events look a bit redundant. You probably don't need that many to judge how good one is overall. [Sorry for the heavy off topic, I'll post a suggestion in the right session]
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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by GlennUk » August 26th, 2023, 1:09 pm

johnlvs2run wrote:
August 18th, 2023, 12:01 am
GlennUk wrote:
January 23rd, 2023, 5:59 am
I set my erg to just row, do a start for 4-5 strokes, watching the monitor so see when it records the fastest pace. then stop, wait for the flywheel to stop, then repeat about 10x.
How do you know when the flywheel stops?
If you watch the flywheel you can see it stop
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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by HornetMaX » August 28th, 2023, 4:49 am

HornetMaX wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 9:54 am
Elizabeth wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 9:30 am
You may be interested in the Nonathlon:
https://www.nonathlon.com/
Yes, that's more like it. However the number of participants is tiny: 43 for the current season, 75 for the past one and a max in the past 20 years that seem to be a bit more than 100. I guess having the same idea integrated in the concept2 logbook would make it more popular.

Personal opinion: the 10 events look a bit redundant. You probably don't need that many to judge how good one is overall. [Sorry for the heavy off topic, I'll post a suggestion in the right session]
Topic here: https://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=207581
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Re: Low Pull Technique ? Workouts ?

Post by iain » August 29th, 2023, 10:07 am

Personally I agree that you are looking for an injury!

Little to add to the above, but warm up more than you think is reasonable! when actually doing the LP, you can improve it a little by a really quick extra stroke after you get to max pace and LP can be improved with a newer shock cord. Finally the technique is different, sequencing out of the window, try and use back and legs together and short slide to get rating up. Great sprinters typically manage 70SPM or so! Beyond that all about timing and power!
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