What Training Have You Done Today?

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KeithT
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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by KeithT » June 22nd, 2022, 1:20 pm

Recent training struggles continue. My HR is elevated on SS rows and I am doing them slower to keep HR capped. Then shorter rows I am going slower and/or doing less. Then on top of that I am suddenly dealing with elbow pain which I never have before. Staying patient but it is a bit worrisome.
54 yo, 6'3" 205#PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1265m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by nick rockliff » June 22nd, 2022, 1:24 pm

KeithT wrote:
June 22nd, 2022, 1:20 pm
Recent training struggles continue. My HR is elevated on SS rows and I am doing them slower to keep HR capped. Then shorter rows I am going slower and/or doing less. Then on top of that I am suddenly dealing with elbow pain which I never have before. Staying patient but it is a bit worrisome.
Go and get a blood test to make sure you're not suffering from anemia.
65 6' 4" 103kg
PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by KeithT » June 22nd, 2022, 1:45 pm

nick rockliff wrote:
June 22nd, 2022, 1:24 pm
KeithT wrote:
June 22nd, 2022, 1:20 pm
Recent training struggles continue. My HR is elevated on SS rows and I am doing them slower to keep HR capped. Then shorter rows I am going slower and/or doing less. Then on top of that I am suddenly dealing with elbow pain which I never have before. Staying patient but it is a bit worrisome.
Go and get a blood test to make sure you're not suffering from anemia.
Had my yearly physical at end of April but this has been sort of sudden. I may go to Dr. if I don't see a change.
54 yo, 6'3" 205#PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1265m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by aussie nick » June 22nd, 2022, 7:41 pm

KeithT wrote:
June 22nd, 2022, 1:20 pm
Recent training struggles continue. My HR is elevated on SS rows and I am doing them slower to keep HR capped. Then shorter rows I am going slower and/or doing less. Then on top of that I am suddenly dealing with elbow pain which I never have before. Staying patient but it is a bit worrisome.
I hope all the symptoms dissipate soon Keith and I'm sure they will. All you can do is keep things ticking over and look after yourself with your diet and rest.
M/50/6ft/89kg
took up rowing during pandemic
1k 3.09.3
2k 6.42.6
5k 18.08.5
30min 8008m

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by MartinSH4321 » June 23rd, 2022, 12:24 am

KeithT wrote:
June 22nd, 2022, 1:20 pm
Recent training struggles continue. My HR is elevated on SS rows and I am doing them slower to keep HR capped. Then shorter rows I am going slower and/or doing less. Then on top of that I am suddenly dealing with elbow pain which I never have before. Staying patient but it is a bit worrisome.
Damn, hope your struggle ends soon! Your very strong 30x1'on/1'off was about 1 month ago right? Any significant changes in these last weeks, like stress at work/at home, sleep problems, changed eating habits?
1983 Austria 1.86 106Kg
LP: 1:03.4 100m: 13.3 1': 392m 500m: 1:21.4
1k: 3:05 2k: 6:43 5k: 17:53 30': 8237m 30R20: 8088m 10k: 36:39
60': 16087m, HM: 1:19:42

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by Dangerscouse » June 23rd, 2022, 12:35 am

KeithT wrote:
June 22nd, 2022, 1:45 pm
Had my yearly physical at end of April but this has been sort of sudden. I may go to Dr. if I don't see a change.
It's a good idea to get another check up done, as it's too regular now, but it's also good to hear that you've had a physical done recently.

Do you think it could be Covid related, and therefore something relatively innocuous and not easily noticed? Is it just through training that you notice the issue?
48 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by Dangerscouse » June 23rd, 2022, 12:37 am

KeithT wrote:
June 22nd, 2022, 1:16 pm
This looks strong
Thanks mate. I had the inevitable crash after this so I'm undecided if it was worth it
48 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by aussie nick » June 23rd, 2022, 4:23 am

really weird thing happened to me. well..not that weird but it felt very strange at the time. I was 20 mins ish into a very standard steady state when my wife walked behind me when I didn't know she was in our gym and it gave me a bit of shock. Nothing huge, not even a jump scare, just a bit of a surprise but all of a sudden I was conscious that my heart rate was racing and I lost all my rhythm. I stopped for a minute or two to calm down and refocus but even afterwards my pace dropped and I could feel my heart beating a lot faster. It took probably 15 mins+ to feel normal again and to be honest, I don't think I got my heart rate down properly again, so I stopped at 10k. I regret not having my heart strap on to see what actually happened.

either way, no harm done hopefully and maybe it's normal but it was a really marked and pronounced jump in heart rate and quite disconcerting

anyone ever had the same thing happen to them?

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
43:02.7 10,003m 2:09.0 163 859 17

5:00.0 1,175m 2:07.6 168 878 17
5:00.0 1,193m 2:05.7 176 906 18
5:00.0 1,177m 2:07.4 169 881 18
5:00.0 1,191m 2:05.9 175 902 18
5:00.0 1,146m 2:10.8 156 837 17
5:00.0 1,130m 2:12.7 150 814 17
5:00.0 1,141m 2:11.4 154 830 16
5:00.0 1,158m 2:09.5 161 854 17
3:02.7 694m 2:11.6 153 828 17
M/50/6ft/89kg
took up rowing during pandemic
1k 3.09.3
2k 6.42.6
5k 18.08.5
30min 8008m

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by Dangerscouse » June 23rd, 2022, 6:01 am

aussie nick wrote:
June 23rd, 2022, 4:23 am
really weird thing happened to me. well..not that weird but it felt very strange at the time. I was 20 mins ish into a very standard steady state when my wife walked behind me when I didn't know she was in our gym and it gave me a bit of shock. Nothing huge, not even a jump scare, just a bit of a surprise but all of a sudden I was conscious that my heart rate was racing and I lost all my rhythm. I stopped for a minute or two to calm down and refocus but even afterwards my pace dropped and I could feel my heart beating a lot faster. It took probably 15 mins+ to feel normal again and to be honest, I don't think I got my heart rate down properly again, so I stopped at 10k. I regret not having my heart strap on to see what actually happened.

either way, no harm done hopefully and maybe it's normal but it was a really marked and pronounced jump in heart rate and quite disconcerting

anyone ever had the same thing happen to them?
I can't say that I have, or at least it's never been that long to recover from a shock. I guess it was an initial adrenaline rush due to the slight shock, and then your autonomic nervous system kicked in and kept you alert with subconscious thoughts.

Do you face backwards when you row ie people could be behind you and you're not aware? They're set up like that at my gym.
48 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

"You reap what you row"

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by Erik A » June 23rd, 2022, 6:44 am

Got home did some chores and then jumped on the erg for 15 x1:00/1:00r
3728m @2:00.7 23sm
Felt pretty good and probably should have done another 5 or 10 reps but just starting back and didnt want to overdo it. Will get up and do a 15km walk tomorrow and another session on the erg tomorrow night
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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by aussie nick » June 23rd, 2022, 7:54 am

Dangerscouse wrote:
June 23rd, 2022, 6:01 am
aussie nick wrote:
June 23rd, 2022, 4:23 am
really weird thing happened to me. well..not that weird but it felt very strange at the time. I was 20 mins ish into a very standard steady state when my wife walked behind me when I didn't know she was in our gym and it gave me a bit of shock. Nothing huge, not even a jump scare, just a bit of a surprise but all of a sudden I was conscious that my heart rate was racing and I lost all my rhythm. I stopped for a minute or two to calm down and refocus but even afterwards my pace dropped and I could feel my heart beating a lot faster. It took probably 15 mins+ to feel normal again and to be honest, I don't think I got my heart rate down properly again, so I stopped at 10k. I regret not having my heart strap on to see what actually happened.

either way, no harm done hopefully and maybe it's normal but it was a really marked and pronounced jump in heart rate and quite disconcerting

anyone ever had the same thing happen to them?
I can't say that I have, or at least it's never been that long to recover from a shock. I guess it was an initial adrenaline rush due to the slight shock, and then your autonomic nervous system kicked in and kept you alert with subconscious thoughts.

Do you face backwards when you row ie people could be behind you and you're not aware? They're set up like that at my gym.
yes, some kind of adrenalin rush, fight or flight type thing I guess.

I've got my home gym in a basement area with a door that connects to stairs to the rest of the house but another door that opens up onto our car port. I row with my back to the exterior door but I left it open to keep it cooler and my wife had been at a neighbour's house and then walked back in and walked past me when I wasn't expecting it. and load music on the airpods meant I didn't hear her coming
M/50/6ft/89kg
took up rowing during pandemic
1k 3.09.3
2k 6.42.6
5k 18.08.5
30min 8008m

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by KeithT » June 23rd, 2022, 1:36 pm

MartinSH4321 wrote:
June 23rd, 2022, 12:24 am
KeithT wrote:
June 22nd, 2022, 1:20 pm
Recent training struggles continue. My HR is elevated on SS rows and I am doing them slower to keep HR capped. Then shorter rows I am going slower and/or doing less. Then on top of that I am suddenly dealing with elbow pain which I never have before. Staying patient but it is a bit worrisome.
Damn, hope your struggle ends soon! Your very strong 30x1'on/1'off was about 1 month ago right? Any significant changes in these last weeks, like stress at work/at home, sleep problems, changed eating habits?
Nothing really new. Have work stress and such but that's not different. I feel fine but my performance is just off. Today with elbow hurting I just dod Bike for 45m minutes. Hopefully things turn around.
54 yo, 6'3" 205#PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1265m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by KeithT » June 23rd, 2022, 1:43 pm

Dangerscouse wrote:
June 23rd, 2022, 12:35 am
KeithT wrote:
June 22nd, 2022, 1:45 pm
Had my yearly physical at end of April but this has been sort of sudden. I may go to Dr. if I don't see a change.
It's a good idea to get another check up done, as it's too regular now, but it's also good to hear that you've had a physical done recently.

Do you think it could be Covid related, and therefore something relatively innocuous and not easily noticed? Is it just through training that you notice the issue?
Yeah Stu, it's just training. I feel fine otherwise but my performance is just off - not just the rower. I haven't done as well in CF or weight sessions either. My boss and others I work with recently tested positive for COVID (some for the 2nd time) - I haven't tested again as I have no symptoms but might make sense to. As far as lingering impact from COVID back in Sept. 21, I struggled for months after but then in the beginning of the year was back to 100% and hit a PR for 30 minutes and had some great results on workouts then all the sudden in last few weeks I am back to struggling.
54 yo, 6'3" 205#PBs (all since turning 50):
1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1265m, 2K - 6:27.8, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8444m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:45:41

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by ampire » June 24th, 2022, 9:26 am

Feeling stronger did this steady state piece preceded by a brief warmup. Trying something different, I removed the foam stock insoles from my Adidas Powerlift 4 shoes and the direct connection to the drive feels much more solid. Forefoot flexibility felt better as well.

Getting closer to last years pace pre injury.

Average Watts 158
Calories Per Hour 845
Stroke Rate 20
Stroke Count 615
Drag Factor 96

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 6,910m 2:10.2 158 845 20
6:00.0 1,378m 2:10.6 157 840 20
12:00.0 1,383m 2:10.1 159 846 20
18:00.0 1,384m 2:10.0 159 847 20
24:00.0 1,384m 2:10.0 159 847 21
30:00.0 1,382m 2:10.2 158 845 21
M36|5'8"/173CM|146lb/66KG|LWT|MHR 192|RHR 42|2020: 5K 18:52.9 (@1:53.2/500)|C2-D+Slides+EndureRow Seat+NSI Minicell Foam

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Re: What Training Have You Done Today?

Post by nick rockliff » June 24th, 2022, 12:07 pm

Bit of a short training week for one reason or another. Just a steady 30r22 this evening.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M
30:00.0 7,628m 1:57.9 213 1033 22 136
6:00.0 1,526m 1:57.9 213 1033 22 126
12:00.0 1,526m 1:57.9 213 1033 22 134
18:00.0 1,526m 1:57.9 213 1033 22 138
24:00.0 1,525m 1:58.0 213 1032 22 141
30:00.0 1,526m 1:57.9 213 1033 22 142
65 6' 4" 103kg
PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6

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