Bogus Time in Rankings

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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by jackarabit » April 7th, 2021, 11:39 pm

Yada yada yada and then this?

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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by Carl Watts » April 8th, 2021, 12:57 am

kini62 wrote:
April 7th, 2021, 9:47 pm
Zwift has a similar issue. People tooling around a over 5 watts/kg endlessly. Or setting some ridiculous sprint times. This of course is done by those that are not using any type of power meter. But yet these obviously unrealistic times are allowed to get the "jacket award".
Zwift on the bike has far more problems than someone only using a Concept 2 rower.

Multiple equipment options and people manually entering their weight, it was always going to be a mess.

The Concept 2 rower is unique, the self calibrating power output side calculation takes care of that and takes one huge problem out of the equation.
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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by max_ratcliffe » April 8th, 2021, 3:51 am

jackarabit wrote:
April 7th, 2021, 11:39 pm
Yada yada yada and then this?

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Surprised you didn't make a reference to Herge, Jack.
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Rower 1'=329m; 500m=1:34.0; 1k=3:25:1; 2k=7:16.5; 5k=19:44; 6k=23:24; 30'=7534m; 10k=40.28; 60'=14621m; HM=1:27:46
SkiErg 1'=298m; 500m=1:42.4; 1k=3:36.0; 2k=7:43.8; 5k=20:35; 6k=TBC; 30'=TBC; 10k=42:50; 60'=TBC; HM=NGTFH

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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by jackarabit » April 8th, 2021, 8:31 am

So am I, Arem. What doesn’t surprise me is carrying Carl’s water and pissing on Concept 2 for two pages. Where’s the credit due C2 Rankings for responding and apparently talking the guy down from his flagpole?
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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by Tony Cook » April 8th, 2021, 8:41 am

Maybe adding fuel to the fire but I happened upon the annual metres section of the C2 site.
Has someone genuinely rowed an average of 83,000 metres every day for 340 days?
I am impressed with ‘our Stu’ rowing 20-30k every day but that pales against someone rowing over 2 marathons each and every day for nearly a year.
9 people are down as averaging over a marathon a day and 34 over a HM.
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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by KeithT » April 8th, 2021, 9:06 am

jackarabit wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 8:31 am
So am I, Arem. What doesn’t surprise me is carrying Carl’s water and pissing on Concept 2 for two pages. Where’s the credit due C2 Rankings for responding and apparently talking the guy down from his flagpole?
I have thanked C2 for this and many other things in the past. However, the ranking was removed before and showed back up (a coupe times) which started the whole annoyance with it all.
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1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1265m, 2K - 6:29.4, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8366m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:47:46

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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by jackarabit » April 8th, 2021, 9:19 am

KeithT wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 9:06 am
jackarabit wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 8:31 am
So am I, Arem. What doesn’t surprise me is carrying Carl’s water and pissing on Concept 2 for two pages. Where’s the credit due C2 Rankings for responding and apparently talking the guy down from his flagpole?
I have thanked C2 for this and many other things in the past. However, the ranking was removed before and showed back up (a coupe times) which started the whole annoyance with it all.
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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by KeithT » April 8th, 2021, 9:23 am

jackarabit wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 9:19 am
KeithT wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 9:06 am
jackarabit wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 8:31 am
So am I, Arem. What doesn’t surprise me is carrying Carl’s water and pissing on Concept 2 for two pages. Where’s the credit due C2 Rankings for responding and apparently talking the guy down from his flagpole?
I have thanked C2 for this and many other things in the past. However, the ranking was removed before and showed back up (a coupe times) which started the whole annoyance with it all.
Ain’t cause Momma didn’t try, Keith.
I agree, I even posted that the guy was trying to prove some point or be funny or was really confused. Regardless looks to be fixed now.
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1 min - 376m, 500m - 1:21.3, 1K - 2:57.2, 4 min - 1265m, 2K - 6:29.4, 5K - 17:23, 30 min - 8366m, 10K - 35:54, 60 min - 16110, HM - 1:19:19, FM - 2:47:46

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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by Dangerscouse » April 8th, 2021, 11:04 am

Tony Cook wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 8:41 am
I am impressed with ‘our Stu’ rowing 20-30k every day but that pales against someone rowing over 2 marathons each and every day for nearly a year.
9 people are down as averaging over a marathon a day and 34 over a HM.
Haha, thanks Tony. I know how much the longer distances took out of me, but if it's at a lot slower pace it's possible, albeit highly improbable someone would want to devote so many hours to the erg for nearly a year.

Averaging a HM doesn't surprise me, that's not too hard, although I wouldn't choose to do it.
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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by Carl Watts » April 8th, 2021, 12:57 pm

Tony Cook wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 8:41 am
Maybe adding fuel to the fire but I happened upon the annual metres section of the C2 site.
Has someone genuinely rowed an average of 83,000 metres every day for 340 days?
I am impressed with ‘our Stu’ rowing 20-30k every day but that pales against someone rowing over 2 marathons each and every day for nearly a year.
9 people are down as averaging over a marathon a day and 34 over a HM.
Do you really want to get me started again ? :lol:

Of course rowing 83K every day for 340 days is horse shit. Do I need to start posting 100K every day to make a point ? Pretty sure I could row 100K every day but I will just manually enter the meters.

Don't worry tho a Jackrabbit will come to the rescue and piss on the Californian forest fire and put it out for you.
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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by mict450 » April 8th, 2021, 2:11 pm

hjs wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 1:16 pm
Carl Watts wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 12:57 pm
Tony Cook wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 8:41 am
Maybe adding fuel to the fire but I happened upon the annual metres section of the C2 site.
Has someone genuinely rowed an average of 83,000 metres every day for 340 days?
I am impressed with ‘our Stu’ rowing 20-30k every day but that pales against someone rowing over 2 marathons each and every day for nearly a year.
9 people are down as averaging over a marathon a day and 34 over a HM.
Do you really want to get me started again ? :lol:

Of course rowing 83K every day for 340 days is horse shit. Do I need to start posting 100K every day to make a point ? Pretty sure I could row 100K every day but I will just manually enter the meters.

Don't worry tho a Jackrabbit will come to the rescue and piss on the Californian forest fire and put it out for you.
Say you would erg 4 hours a day? Think that would be impossible? There are plenty of people who walk hours every day, cycle hours every day, why would some people not sit on a machine for hours a day? Its perfectly possible to do so, ofcourse some will be bogus, but it can be done.
The forum used to be visited by a doctor who erged everyday for 4 hours. He burned 2000 calories a day, allowing him to eat whatever he wanted & still maintain his svelte boyish figure. This I find believably in the realm of the possible.

To erg 83,000 meters in 4 hours daily is stretching the truth a might. That would be maintaining a 1:27 split everyday. Maybe 6 hrs daily at 2:10 split, but who would want to spend that much time on any exercise machine? Mebbe if you were in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay. Viz: you don't have a life.
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Re: Bogus Time in Rankings

Post by hjs » April 8th, 2021, 2:34 pm

mict450 wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 2:11 pm
hjs wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 1:16 pm
Carl Watts wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 12:57 pm


Do you really want to get me started again ? :lol:

Of course rowing 83K every day for 340 days is horse shit. Do I need to start posting 100K every day to make a point ? Pretty sure I could row 100K every day but I will just manually enter the meters.

Don't worry tho a Jackrabbit will come to the rescue and piss on the Californian forest fire and put it out for you.
Say you would erg 4 hours a day? Think that would be impossible? There are plenty of people who walk hours every day, cycle hours every day, why would some people not sit on a machine for hours a day? Its perfectly possible to do so, ofcourse some will be bogus, but it can be done.
The forum used to be visited by a doctor who erged everyday for 4 hours. He burned 2000 calories a day, allowing him to eat whatever he wanted & still maintain his svelte boyish figure. This I find believably in the realm of the possible.

To erg 83,000 meters in 4 hours daily is stretching the truth a might. That would be maintaining a 1:27 split everyday. Maybe 6 hrs daily at 2:10 split, but who would want to spend that much time on any exercise machine? Mebbe if you were in solitary confinement at Pelican Bay. Viz: you don't have a life.
Did not look at the numbers. Only say its not impossible. Ofcourse 1.27 is fake and even 2.10 pace is unlikely.

The forum flyers used to have a member who went to malls etc and put his erg down to collect money. Erged at talking pace, but almost all day long... Not so much different from doing a daily boring job.

But I really don’t care tbh. I have little with volume just for volume itself.

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