How good is 7:30 for 2000m?

[Bradycardia]

Thank you for the honest answer. I'm not that competitive, only 34 min 10K runner off 35 MPW.

I think you know that is actually very good.
I use DF=125 for 2K and up, below that up to ~142 for 1min efforts. You should use 120 at most I'd say....really in the first instance keep it low to prevent injury and lend itself to a higher stroke rate which may suit you.

Maybe talk to 'hobbit' on here...another small guy who's a runner mostly I think.

Well, for a recreational runner, which I am, it's a good time but it's not that good if you compare it to elite runners.

When it comes to drag factor, I used damper setting 6 which at that point gave drag factor 140 during my 2,000m time trial.
For some reason I feel no response when drag factor and damper setting is lower. I think damper setting=10 would be better, since I feel more power/strength. Maybe it's because I'm weak, can't pull hard enough at lower damper setting.

[winniewinser]

Drag Factor on 10 is not necessarily going to give you more performance unless you're 6'5" and built like a tank....and even then probably more do for shorter sprints.

Plenty of great rowers use anywhere between 120-140...even Olympians....and still rip the shit out of the times. Good technique is more important imo.

I am amazed at the number of people in gyms who set if to 10 because they think that a) it looks macho and b) they'll go quicker. I've seen kids try and row on 10 and the gym staff don't step in and help them. Madness! My gym has a row workout on the wall with the setting on 8....they clearly have no idea what if means

[Anth_F]

It's a decent time.

My first 2k was about 9:45 ish, but i came into rowing with zero exercise for about 8 years prior. Took me about 4 months of regular erg training to eventually pull a 7:22. So for you, and regular training for some months, do another 2k TT and you could have knocked a good ole chunk off by then.

P.S Do not row on damper 10, especially given your stats... it's asking for trouble!! Mostly in the lower back is where you'd find it.

[Gammmmo]

Well, for a recreational runner, which I am, it's a good time but it's not that good if you compare it to elite runners.

Certainly is. Here's the thing - IMO when u really get into a sport you don't realise just how quick u r in relation to most people, even when talking to others who may have similar commitment/aptitude but in a different sport. There are plenty of good runners who no matter what they did could not run 34mins for 10K. If you're not that competitve and can do 34mins, I'd say you have alot of aptitude.

[Bradycardia]

Here are some stats from my time trial
Stroke Rate 33
Stroke Count 252
Drag Factor 146

Does anything here stand out as good/bad?

[hjs]

Here are some stats from my time trial
Stroke Rate 33
Stroke Count 252
Drag Factor 146

Does anything here stand out as good/bad?

Not really, you could say, relative speaking, that the drag is high ish, making your drive a bit slow. But if you are a guy with relative high slow muscle fibers, that could suit.

A general remark, relative fit people, who are trained in rowing, often lack specific strenght in the upperbody, this will pick up pretty quickly though. Your overall fitness is not the weakest link, but the specific strenght is.

[gregsmith01748]

It's OK. To give you some sort of reference when I started erging spring 2016 I was coming off the back of 5 or so seasons of competitive cycling and was 44 (so you have some age advantage too - not far off your prime). I was 144lbs and 5'11". I would say I was aerobically fit enough to go sub 7mins right then but had to go through a period of 3-4 months to strengthen my lower back to actually do that. I tended to test 5K more often and rapidly got to 18:1x. The gains kept coming but rapidly slowed up. That said, a very rough rule of thumb is "2s for free for every inch in height" so we can see I had an 8s advantage over you. So...in summary your time is OK but you need to keep erging because that time will rapidly come down and you'd best revisit this thread then.

I would've said your 2K result is quite good BUT you give the impression you are a competitive type with a good engine and so I'm being a bit more honest with you. I'd ignore "weight adjusted" and just look at comparing yourself with lightweight ergers and just mentally factor in you're only at a slight disadvantage as I found cardio ability was FAR more important than muscle on the erg, certainly with 2K and longer.

As an side, you may be interested in "Ed Baker" on youtube who is a runner (EDIT: triathlete) who does some erging. He's good.

When I looked at the data,I found it was closer to a second in split per inch of height for men (3.33w per cm)
https://analytics.rowsandall.com/2018/ ... wers-tall/

But there is ton of variation.

[Bradycardia]

Here are some stats from my time trial
Stroke Rate 33
Stroke Count 252
Drag Factor 146

Does anything here stand out as good/bad?

Not really, you could say, relative speaking, that the drag is high ish, making your drive a bit slow. But if you are a guy with relative high slow muscle fibers, that could suit.

A general remark, relative fit people, who are trained in rowing, often lack specific strenght in the upperbody, this will pick up pretty quickly though. Your overall fitness is not the weakest link, but the specific strenght is.

I just read in Concept2 training guide 2.0 that 2,000m pace is done at 30-34 spm. I had 33, so I guess that's good. Earlier I wrote about how I feel no power at lower damper/drag factor and I thought that's because I'm weak. But, now I'm wondering if it could be the other way around? Maybe I've good upper body strength?

[hjs]

I just read in Concept2 training guide 2.0 that 2,000m pace is done at 30-34 spm. I had 33, so I guess that's good. Earlier I wrote about how I feel no power at lower damper/drag factor and I thought that's because I'm weak. But, now I'm wondering if it could be the other way around? Maybe I've good upper body strength?

30/33 is fine, there is no given number, it can be up to 40 for very fast rowers, below 30 us to low.

Re upperbody, doubt it, runners are not strong, that would hinder you. Can you do a lot of pullups? Can you benchpress a good weight. Deadlift?
Not feeling power is not being able to drive fast enough, every resistance we have create ourselves. A way to learn to feel this is, set the drag very low, say 100, rate low say 20 and try to get a good speed. This can only be done with a fast drive.
After that go back to your normal rowing. The feel will be different.

[mitchel674]

Maybe I missed it. What's your age and gender?

[Gammmmo]

Maybe I missed it. What's your age and gender?

said early 30s

[Gammmmo]

When I looked at the data,I found it was closer to a second in split per inch of height for men (3.33w per cm)
https://analytics.rowsandall.com/2018/ ... wers-tall/

But there is ton of variation.

Thanks for that. Towards the end:
"If I’m racing someone taller than me, I’m gonna ask them to give me a second an inch as a handicap per 500m. "
...sorry, so does that mean for 2K overall it's 4s per inch or 1s? Assuming the former, so twice what I thought?

[mitchel674]

I'm assuming you are a female in your early 30's. Your 7:30 on the 2k puts you at #2 in your age and weight class on the C2 rankings.

Is this good/bad?

[winniewinser]

I think the OP is a fella actually as I saw his 7:31 result on Insta too.

Still a good time for someone who hasn't rowed much.

[mitchel674]

I think the OP is a fella actually as I saw his 7:31 result on Insta too.

Still a good time for someone who hasn't rowed much.

#43 for this year at the 75th percentile if the OP is a male at his age and weight.