looking at racing late november

[madmuppet006]

Where are you Al... im in wellington and just restarted back on the erg tonight after injury. Im in the same age bracket.

One step further down the food chain .. lol .. currently in auckland but thats changing soon ..

started erging to get faster only recently was doing hiit before that and had to train a day take one off ..

[hjs]

Relation between 500 and 2k differs a lot between rowers.

That's why I wrote "if you have good endurance". If not, 2ks are bet avoided.

Bull, you always come up with this same nonsense. Between olympic athletes who are ofcourse well trained aerobicly, 500 can not be used as a marker for 2k. We are talking about people who DO race 2k s. Not about avoiding one.

[Erik A]

Where are you Al... im in wellington and just restarted back on the erg tonight after injury. Im in the same age bracket.

One step further down the food chain .. lol .. currently in auckland but thats changing soon ..

started erging to get faster only recently was doing hiit before that and had to train a day take one off ..

May come up to watch... will probaby go to the comp next year and the wanganui masters 2021. Provided i dont injure myself again

[madmuppet006]

did 8x500m yesterday felt fine did an hour steady state today and feels like I had some smash a sledgehammer into my legs ..

see what happens ..

May come up to watch... will probaby go to the comp next year and the wanganui masters 2021. Provided i dont injure myself again

be good if someone can throw a beer at the halfway mark .. inspiration comes in many shapes and forms ..

thanks

al.

[jamesg]

Bull, you always come up with this same nonsense. Between olympic athletes who are ofcourse well trained aerobicly, 500 can not be used as a marker for 2k. We are talking about people who DO race 2k s. Not about avoiding one.

If they race 2ks, no doubt they will like to know how it can be done, based on their own endurance and speed.

You can see it here as produced by the French Rowing Federation. Suggest you try it, it's very simple and effective and can do you no harm.
http://www.fibrarowingteam.it/2000m%20R ... ration.pdf

It can also be used the other way round; do both a 2000 and a 500 test and look at the Power ratio. If the 2k is slow, more endurance training (and technique no doubt) is needed.

The infamous 7 minute 2k is about 300 W. The FP suggests we need at least a 1:34 500 (420W) for that 2k time. Ratio 0.714, i.e 28% slower in Watts. This is certainly a tough target, but what else do we expect if trying an Olympic event? If we know we have little endurance, but want to do a 2k in any case, maybe a 40% drop will let us finish the course. Even I can do that, but what's the point?

[hjs]

Bull, you always come up with this same nonsense. Between olympic athletes who are ofcourse well trained aerobicly, 500 can not be used as a marker for 2k. We are talking about people who DO race 2k s. Not about avoiding one.

If they race 2ks, no doubt they will like to know how it can be done, based on their own endurance and speed.

You can see it here as produced by the French Rowing Federation. Suggest you try it, it's very simple and effective and can do you no harm.
http://www.fibrarowingteam.it/2000m%20R ... ration.pdf

It can also be used the other way round; do both a 2000 and a 500 test and look at the Power ratio. If the 2k is slow, more endurance training (and technique no doubt) is needed.

The infamous 7 minute 2k is about 300 W. The FP suggests we need at least a 1:34 500 (420W) for that 2k time. Ratio 0.714, i.e 28% slower in Watts. This is certainly a tough target, but what else do we expect if trying an Olympic event? If we know we have little endurance, but want to do a 2k in any case, maybe a 40% drop will let us finish the course. Even I can do that, but what's the point?

Why don,t you answer the specific question from the poster? Lots if racers are not very experienced, if they where why ask questions about it.

Must say, my remarks before where to harsh, thats not good, sorry for that James. But I still think the french protocol is useless. A 500 meter alone gives no info which can be used over 2k.

[jamesg]

No problem, we're all here to help each other, based on experience.

My only experience of how to pace a 2k, apart from afloat in the 50s and 60s, is based on the French Protocol, using which I always managed to finish 2ks reasonably well, or at least without fly and die.

However I think you're right. There is no a priori fixed relationship between a 500 and a 2k time. But that's just the point; if someone can go fast for 500 meters, why can't he go fast for 2000? All it takes is some training and technique.

[hjs]

No problem, we're all here to help each other, based on experience.

My only experience of how to pace a 2k, apart from afloat in the 50s and 60s, is based on the French Protocol, using which I always managed to finish 2ks reasonably well, or at least without fly and die.

However I think you're right. There is no a priori fixed relationship between a 500 and a 2k time. But that's just the point; if someone can go fast for 500 meters, why can't he go fast for 2000? All it takes is some training and technique.

It can be training, but its also muscle fiber distribution. Two people can have the same 2k, but one be relative faster, with faster shorter work, and the other can be relative aerobicly fitter, with better longer work. Training can alter this, but there will always be a difference.

[max_ratcliffe]

No problem, we're all here to help each other, based on experience.

My only experience of how to pace a 2k, apart from afloat in the 50s and 60s, is based on the French Protocol, using which I always managed to finish 2ks reasonably well, or at least without fly and die.

However I think you're right. There is no a priori fixed relationship between a 500 and a 2k time. But that's just the point; if someone can go fast for 500 meters, why can't he go fast for 2000? All it takes is some training and technique.

It can be training, but its also muscle fiber distribution. Two people can have the same 2k, but one be relative faster, with faster shorter work, and the other can be relative aerobicly fitter, with better longer work. Training can alter this, but there will always be a difference.

In the red corner: Martin, a very strong ex-lifter.
In the blue: Paul, an ex-bike time trialler.

They have similar 2ks. Martin's a good bit faster over 500m, but as the distances get longer, Paul's background and genetics come to the fore and he's some way ahead of Martin (for now?), especially in the HM.