another question about aerobic base training

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Re: another question about aerobic base training

Post by hjs » March 20th, 2019, 10:06 am

jackarabit wrote:
March 20th, 2019, 9:46 am


I do understand, Henry. The weevils in the flour aren’t the main course but we eat them just the same and we’re all dying of an oxidative process called living. Despite these fuzzy edges, the light was brought forth out of darkness and the firmament raised above the water by an unseen power which had a yen for definition and boundaries. As a species we are remarkably focused on organizing the fuzz and putting it in boxes, only to discover that the contents defy the labels. Go figure?
Indeed, we could say, thats the trouble with having to much brain :wink: we "think" left, right, centre and what more. The base and core is often simple, to simple for humans, so we make up stuff. Life is easy on the one hand and unbelievebly complex on the other.

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Re: another question about aerobic base training

Post by Mark E » March 20th, 2019, 10:07 am

As I said before, I'm not entirely convinced that all of Seiler's work, done mainly with with cyclists, applies perfectly to rowing. Our longer races are just fractions of the time a road cyclist trains for ... but what is compelling about his viewpoint is that he started with the premiss that elite racers in cycling, running, Nordic skiing and rowing (he has done some work with elite rowers) actually know what they are doing, and they all tend to train the same way. That is, they do frequent, long efforts at surprisingly low levels of output -- he describes doing low-intensity bike rides with professionals where even he can keep up as they ride in their zone 1 training pace. But when they go hard they go very hard indeed. The mindset may be as important as the physiology: If the easy days are kept really easy then you'll have pent up mental and physical reserves for when its time to give it full gas.
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Re: another question about aerobic base

Post by jackarabit » March 20th, 2019, 10:58 am

Mark writes:
In Seiler's three zone system UT1 would definitely be the "no man's land" of neither easy enough nor hard enough.
I see you’re not going to cop to the plea of “silly mistake, I knew better.” For the record, Seiler’s UT1 zone seems to me remarkably similar to O’Neill UT1—both indicate a level of activity delaying significant lactate accumulation. I was surprised by that correspondance. Seiler’s revisionist thinking is nuanced and his conclusions very cautious.
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Re: another question about aerobic base training

Post by gooseflight » March 20th, 2019, 1:27 pm

jackarabit wrote:
March 20th, 2019, 9:07 am
Is it possible to superpose these prescriptive p-word schemes in practise?
And then there's linear versus block periodisation.

If anyone wants to drill down there's plenty to read. This is old but is cited over four hundred times:

http://umh1617.edu.umh.es/wp-content/up ... ssurin.pdf
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Re: another question about aerobic base training

Post by rlawsonadams » March 20th, 2019, 2:02 pm

My brain just exploded...

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Re: another question about aerobic base training

Post by jackarabit » March 20th, 2019, 2:45 pm

rlawsonadams wrote:
March 20th, 2019, 2:02 pm
My brain just exploded...

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Thankyou, Roy. I understand why you’re in no rush to offer a brief summary.
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