Pete Plan Thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by mitchel674 » January 10th, 2018, 10:14 am

RowerGal wrote:Well, that image didn't post right to my previous entry. Here is my row from today:

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Impressive in both your distance and consistency.

I definitely fatigue in the latter splits of the long BPP rows now over 10km. Would I be better off slowing my rate early in the piece to maintain consistency throughout the SS rows? I'm still a novice at week #17 of the BPP.
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by Dangerscouse » January 10th, 2018, 10:50 am

Yes Mitchel. If you're fading near the end you're going too fast. Steady state should still be a challenge but I always have enough to sprint the last 1km

Do you use a HR monitor? That will be useful to see how hard you're pushing.
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by mitchel674 » January 10th, 2018, 11:41 am

Dangerscouse wrote:Yes Mitchel. If you're fading near the end you're going too fast. Steady state should still be a challenge but I always have enough to sprint the last 1km

Do you use a HR monitor? That will be useful to see how hard you're pushing.
Stu, thanks for your insight. Here's an example of a 10K from a few weeks ago.

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I do use a HR monitor, and on a 10k I will typically get up to 140 for the first 2-3k and then gradually increase to 150 by the end.

Maybe I'm just in crappy shape and have no business rowing these distances at this point. I hate to slow down even further. My natural inclination when I get on for these long rows is 2:12 at 24spm.
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by jackarabit » January 10th, 2018, 12:11 pm

RowerGal appears to have a good deal of experience doing the OTW-influenced C2 WODS which typically emphasize regulated rate changes. Think she may have mentioned as much some time. Free rate is ALWAYS a race against fatigue no matter how conservative the early splits.
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by RowerGal » January 10th, 2018, 12:16 pm

Thanks, Mike. As you can see, I am not breaking any speed records on these rows, but I do enjoy the longer sessions. Last year I did a lot of work on pacing and SR to get my "gearing" more dialed in. This year my approach to training is focused on doing the longer sessions slower and the harder sessions harder. Last year I made some rookie mistakes ... I trained too hard too early, spent a lot of my sessions in a more narrow range of speed and didn't take enough rest days to absorb my training. The result: I peaked too early (December), got burnt out a bit, and had a poor result in my "A race" @ CrashB's in February. We live. We learn.

mitchel674 - Yes. I agree with Dangerscouse, to slow down a bit. I know you want to go 10K at 2:12, but your average for this 10K is 2:14 @ 23 SR. Keep the 10K distance if you like it. Perhaps experimenting with a 2:15 or 2:16 @ 22 SR focusing on consistency with both pace and SR in your splits is worth a try. You should finish feeling like you have something left in the tank. Then apply that surplus energy to blast your next sprint session! :)
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by jbhop5857 » January 10th, 2018, 12:28 pm

Good Day,

Cycle 5/ Week 1/ Day 2

17k steady state at 23spm and 2:06/500.

This felt good.

What is ErgData? I use row pro and would like to post the workout summary from it as some of you do. Can you point me to the directions?

Thanks

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Age: 40
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195lbs
2k: 6:50.2 - 2017 Yeah, I count the tenths on this one.
5K: 18:07.1 - 2020
6K: 23:28 - 2015
10K: 36:57 - 2020
HM: 1:22:48 - 2017
30 Min: 7937 - 2017
60 Min: 15625 - 2020
FM: 2:58:19.3 -2020
50k 3:38:44 - 2020
100k 7:29:15 - 2020

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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by jackarabit » January 10th, 2018, 12:39 pm

jbhop5857 wrote:
What is ErgData? I use row pro and would like to post the workout summary from it as some of you do. Can you point me to the directions?

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http://www.concept2.com/service/software/ergdata

Don't think you can use ED to post RP row reports to logbook, but free from the ap store and google play to your ios or droid fone so worth a look. I used RP 4.3 for a couple yrs. and got tired of snipping two or three screens stat and graph to post to forum. ED certainly less fuss for logbk record AND show 'n tell!
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by Gaucho1 » January 10th, 2018, 1:40 pm

Hello,
today 4 times 2000 with 5min rest. After three times i really felt fatigued. Knowing that i´d like to post in this thread made me doing the last one, but with a lower pace.

Time Meters Pace Watts Cal/Hr S/M HR
30:57.6 8,000m 1:56.1 224 1069 25 163
7:44.0 2,000m 1:56.0 224 1071 26 156
7:42.4 2,000m 1:55.6 227 1079 26 164
7:41.8 2,000m 1:55.4 227 1082 26 167
7:49.5 2,000m 1:57.3 216 1044 24 168

30min ergoregatto on february 27th in Starnberg Germany
Will I meet anyone?
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by livingkennedy » January 10th, 2018, 2:58 pm

New poster to this thread - David referred me over here from the weight loss forum. I've been reading through the posts from this year so far and I'm inspired by all of the stories and WORK that's being done out there!

I have been the proud owner of a model D since about a month ago and I've been ramping up, currently on week 3 of the BPP and seeing steady progress. My first 5k was at 2:26 and my most recent 6k was at 2:13ish with a good amount left in the tank, feels great seeing the work pay off! Yesterday was the first day that it just felt flat out good to be rowing down the stretch, I was feeling the rhythm and was in almost a zen state. I haven't done anything much over 6k, but I can imagine that once I start hitting those 12k rows the zen mentality becomes pretty important to maintaining pace and sanity.

What I really enjoy about the BPP is that it gives me a structure to follow. My primary goal is weight loss, but that's more of a lifelong pursuit and with my competitive nature I need more to really fuel me. Seeing the posts here I'm setting the goal of cracking a sub 8 minute 2k around the time week 24 rolls around.

For beginning rowers - and I'm sure this is a personal preference thing but wondering - once you've got a general level of competency on the machine is it better for overall fitness to focus on something like 2k/5k times, or would FM training be a better way to expand? I'm going to complete the BPP and probably a few rounds of the regular PP either way to get some PB's posted, but already thinking about that next goal..
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by Dangerscouse » January 10th, 2018, 3:42 pm

@Brandon, they all offer different results as they work both anaerobic and aerobic fitness. Personally I like to all types of distances at different paces too, as they are all different challenges.

Have a play around and see what you prefer as there's no right answer
51 HWT; 6' 4"; 1k= 3:09; 2k= 6:36; 5k= 17:19; 6k= 20:47; 10k= 35:46 30mins= 8,488m 60mins= 16,618m HM= 1:16.47; FM= 2:40:41; 50k= 3:16:09; 100k= 7:52:44; 12hrs = 153km

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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by Gaucho1 » January 10th, 2018, 3:48 pm

Hello Brandon,
Welcome! Your question
"For beginning rowers - and I'm sure this is a personal preference thing but wondering - once you've got a general level of competency on the machine is it better for overall fitness to focus on something like 2k/5k times, or would FM training be a better way to expand? I'm going to complete the BPP and probably a few rounds of the regular PP either way to get some PB's posted, but already thinking about that next goal.."

It´s not an either or it´s the mix of long stuff and intervals. For overall fitness, weightloss and health interval-training has a great benefit. There are very interesting information on the concept 2 website.
Keep on rowing
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by jbhop5857 » January 10th, 2018, 3:53 pm

Brandon,
Welcome, glad you came over.
From my perspective, the PP can accomplish your weight loss goals. It can also really tune you up for a 2k if that is what you want. However, to lose weight, you need a combination of aerobic building and muscle building to really burn those calories. The Pete Plan has 2 days of intervals, 3 days of longer steady state work and a longer temp piece (think 5-21k). So it gives you everything.

However, it gets difficult after a few rounds to have the motivation to keep pushing. But, with a goal of weight loss before 2k time, you will be able to adjust those sprints to not have to kill yourself everytime (although that is good for you too).

Even if you do the FM and HM training, you will need to do speed work and you can substitute those sprints for the PP sprints, in my opinion, to work on different distances.

But honestly, for now - just row row row your erg and watch the lbs drop off and the muscle tone.

David
Age: 40
6ft.
195lbs
2k: 6:50.2 - 2017 Yeah, I count the tenths on this one.
5K: 18:07.1 - 2020
6K: 23:28 - 2015
10K: 36:57 - 2020
HM: 1:22:48 - 2017
30 Min: 7937 - 2017
60 Min: 15625 - 2020
FM: 2:58:19.3 -2020
50k 3:38:44 - 2020
100k 7:29:15 - 2020

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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by mdpfirrman » January 10th, 2018, 4:10 pm

Wow, lots of activity going on these days.

@ Dietmar - I know I keep saying this but you put up some impressive numbers! No wonder you didn't feel like doing the fourth set! I wouldn't have either. As far as the German race, too far for me! I have noticed there are quite a few European rowers more on some of the Facebook groups. Fitness Matters and Sub 7 are two groups that come to mind. You should explore that avenue too as a social source to meet other indoor rowers.

@ Brandon - glad you're here. You'll find, after a while, what you like. And sometimes, you'll find out what you don't like is what you really need! Kind of like eating your vegetables. I'm getting "punished" this year because I detest longer, hard rows. Longer, hard rows serve a purpose, though, and I'm not equaling what I probably could do because I've neglected that aspect in training. I did tons of meters in 2017 but not a lot of hard rows over 5K. That's one of my goals for 2018! Look into the "nonathon". It's kind of a fun, silly competition across all distances for points. Training each one accomplishes something.

@ David - I like ErgData a lot. Though I'm not sure how to post it here like Jack mentioned. So easy for storing your workouts on the logbook.

@ Mitchell - nothing really more to add that Tom/RowerGal didn't cover. I've learned in the last year how important consistency/form and feel are. It's still a work in progress with me honestly. I have a left leg that's much stronger than my right leg. Probably the first year, I used my back (as a result of the weak right leg) way too much and when I pushed with my legs, I cheated to my good leg often. I have to many times, during my rows, constantly remind myself to use my "bad" knee more and push off the right leg as much as I can. Drives me insane during SS rows but it helps tremendously. Lately, I've not been up on the balls of my feet at the catch and I've been separating my knees a bit and staying flat footed. Little bad habits creep in all the time. What I've done better with recently is quicker strokes and working on a more light finish (my finish is still a hot mess!). I won't load a video on here because I fear the feedback will be, "oh God, there's no helping you!". I know the form has gotten little by little better and more consistent. It never ends really for me. Someone that really understands their stroke/mechanics (like RowerGal demonstrated on the SS row) can flip rates and know what speed they are at different rates (SPM). When they improve even my .1 to .25 at a certain SPM, they know that the progress is real and tangible. I'm working to get this consistent. Today was a pretty consistent row for me. With using ErgData, I like to put it on the Watts screen and watch my Watts and maintain the same watts at the same SPM to benchmark the row. Today, I was pretty consistently around 161/162 Watts @ 22/23 SPM during the entire 10K SS row. I take a 2 minute towel off in the middle. For me, that's a good SS row (around a 2:09.7-ish SS row). With more experience, the roller coaster will slowly ease up and get more even keeled throughout. And when you do have inconsistent numbers, during the row, you'll adjust your form to compensate.
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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by adamfred » January 10th, 2018, 6:45 pm

Hi everyone, new guy here! I'm a 6'1" 21 year old and started the BPP this week. I've only ever done light cardio before and never any weight training, hoping to stick with this plan!

Week 1.1
5k 23:49 2:22.9 23
2:25.9 21
2:23.0 22
2:26.4 23
2:25.5 23
2:13.8 27

Week 1.2
6x500m/2r 12:06.5 2:01.0 31
1:50.0 32
1:56.3 32
2:02.9 30
2:04.3 30
2:10.7 30
2:02.3 34

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Re: Pete Plan Thread

Post by jbhop5857 » January 10th, 2018, 9:30 pm

@adam - Welcome to the group!! You will find a lot of support here. Everyone is here to get better. Great job getting through your first two sessions, getting started is always the hardest.

David
Age: 40
6ft.
195lbs
2k: 6:50.2 - 2017 Yeah, I count the tenths on this one.
5K: 18:07.1 - 2020
6K: 23:28 - 2015
10K: 36:57 - 2020
HM: 1:22:48 - 2017
30 Min: 7937 - 2017
60 Min: 15625 - 2020
FM: 2:58:19.3 -2020
50k 3:38:44 - 2020
100k 7:29:15 - 2020

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