Pete Plan 2017

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by hepting » March 29th, 2017, 9:18 am

Thank you for the welcomes! I've enjoyed lurking in the past. Great motivation reading about everyone's progress,

Mike - very sorry - as a dog lover I am unfortunately too familiar with the feeling... Dogs make us better people!
Street - great pacing on those 500's... got tired reading it..

Late last night started week 6

7,500 - 29:53.6 - 1:59.5 avg

First workout where my pace slid backward after increasing distance. Struggled after about 3k. Not sure if it was just a bad day or if I am reaching a little plateau. Either way onwards and upwards!
Dyson 49yo - 6'1" on a long road back to lightweight....
"<165lbs and sub 7 2k or bust!"

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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by mdpfirrman » March 29th, 2017, 3:21 pm

Dyson - the fact that you can hold nearly a 7K at under 2:00 pace is impressive. The fact you slipped a bit on pace at the end just meant you were pushing it. Nice work! I haven't held under a 2:00 pace on 7K in nearly two years (I just hate those long hard rows!).

Paul - I think the additional meters will help push you to the next level. I think you had plateaued on the PP for now. Once you get your cardio better, you'll see improvements. The PP is just refining what's already there. That's why guys tend to (after two or three rotations) not get any quicker. It's the meter work, weights that gets you ready for the speed. I like to do speed work all year (at least some) so it's not as hard of an adjustment getting back to the PP.

Tim - Glenn's right. You'll break 8 no problem.

Stu - nice SS. I like to pick up at the last 2K as well on my SS days.

Andy - I still think your 500s could be faster even. You're stronger than you know! My 500s are typically 1:47 or so and you're way faster than I am (at least 12 seconds faster on the 2k!).

Thanks for all the kind words regarding my dog. I know he had a great life.

Did two easy sessions the last two days. 4 X 2K (slow paces, around 2:08) and then a SS today -- 50' @ 2:13 (took one minute in the middle break which slowed the pace dramatically). Still a bit congested but didn't feel any worse by rowing which is great.
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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by mudgeg » March 29th, 2017, 5:49 pm

BPP 24/3

30min row - 6848 / 30min / 2:11.4

Well below what I am capable of and way off my best. Just started to suffer from early hay fever, which I have had since I was a student. Tree pollen is the problem and I can feel myself starting to get a bit wheezy. Just going to finish the plan over the next three days though.

On another subject, I notice with my rowing technique that I am not pulling straight and going off to the left on the drive. I am straight at the catch but can't quite work out what I'm doing wrong on the drive. Any ideas?
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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by Street » March 29th, 2017, 6:10 pm

mdpfirrman wrote: Andy - I still think your 500s could be faster even. You're stronger than you know! My 500s are typically 1:47 or so and you're way faster than I am (at least 12 seconds faster on the 2k!).
Definitely.. I felt well within my limit last time, so next time round I'm going to go as hard as I can.
mudgeg wrote:BPP 24/3

30min row - 6848 / 30min / 2:11.4
Two to go.. You say way off your best, but still much better than week one!

It was the dreaded endurance intervals for me today.. 5mins rest is never enough for the last interval! :D Annoyingly my phone didn't record the first three to upload to my log for some reason. The last two recorded fine, and so did the distance and time so not entirely sure what happened.

PP 1.3 5x1500m/5" rest. Target 1:52.5
27:58.9 / 7,500m / 1:51.9 / 27
5:36.2 / 1,500m / 1:52.0 / 27
5:36.3 / 1,500m / 1:52.1 / 27
5:36.2 / 1,500m / 1:52.0 / 27
5:36.5 / 1,500m / 1:52.1 / 27
5:33.6 / 1,500m / 1:51.2 / 27

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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by Litewait » March 29th, 2017, 9:39 pm

@gordon - had the same issue, I ended up trying to be (overly) conscious of handle in my left hand when I drive which made me straighten out. My right arm is way stronger than my left. Now I could ask a weirder question, what does your head do on the drive, mine drops to the left when I pull and the pops up to check the panel on the recovery. I don't know if this is weird or not but I can't look at the panel during the drive for some reason.
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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by IefTheChief » March 30th, 2017, 3:21 am

@Mike, sorry for your loss, must have been really difficult times.

@Dyson, welcome to the board, great sessions you're reporting here!

PP 2.1, cycle 3
Speed pyramid / 1'30 rest per 250m. Target from last cycle 1'55.5

15:10.3 4,000m 1:53.7 27
0:57.3 250m 1:54.6 28
1:55.5 500m 1:55.5 26
2:53.1 750m 1:55.4 26
3:51.0 1,000m 1:55.5 26
2:50.1 750m 1:53.4 27
1:49.7 500m 1:49.7 28
0:53.6 250m 1:47.2 28
Ivo Wentholt: 45y, 181cm, 85 kg (103 kg on 6 Jan '17, on a weight mission)
2k: 7:24.8 | 5k: 19:39.0 | 10k: 42:05.4

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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by mdpfirrman » March 30th, 2017, 8:30 am

@ Ivo - Thanks! Nice pyramid. You had some power on the way down. Nicely done. Good consistent middle part.

@ Gordon - I agree with Tim. I do some things too. My right knee is crap, so I tend to go off to the right (my left leg is more powerful. I have to make a very concerted effort to push as hard with my right leg (and not favor my left leg) with every stroke. I don't think it helps that I barely have any cartilage left in my knee (making it shorter than the other leg). I think my mismatched legs hurt my case. Also, I tend to lift one shoulder higher (for some reason) than the other. Probably due to an old football injury (I broke a collar bone years ago and the emergency room doc said I was fine -- had a neck sprain -- so I went on for years with a broken collar bone that never really healed properly!). I think our bodies show our history and "battle" scars and compensate accordingly. All you can do it strive to make it a point of emphasis.

@ Street - yeah, those are brutal. Very fast on that one! The fact that you managed to even drop it down a bit more on the last interval is fantastic! Your 1500s are very fast relative to your 500s. Just really shows how strong you are with the cardio part (and need to push the strength / speed a bit more). I wish I had your cardio base! With that said, your 500m PB shows you're certainly strong enough to do a sub 7 with your cardio ability.
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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by jackarabit » March 30th, 2017, 9:10 am

@ mdpfirrman: sorry about your dog, Mike.
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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by Litewait » March 30th, 2017, 5:32 pm

PP Cycle 2 - Week 2.3: 3k/2.5k/2k 5'r DF124

31:38.6 7,500m 2:06.5 28
12:41.1 3,000m 2:06.8 27
10:34.2 2,500m 2:06.8 28
8:23.3 2,000m 2:05.8 29

Last was 2:06.9, pretty sure this one will be the hardest one to whittle away at. For sure I hate this more than dreaded 4x2k.

@paul - nice intervals. way to keep chipping away at the pile.
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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by ChasinElk » March 30th, 2017, 8:57 pm

Solid work by all!!!

Just thought I would share these little things are delicious.. can't believe they contain all good ingredients and are paleo friendly.. I've tried the coconut rage, macarooned, paleoriffic, and the choco monkey. Not cheap but again delicious :D

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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by ChasinElk » March 30th, 2017, 9:16 pm

Sorry can't get the pic to post here's a link to the sit

https://www.marigoldbars.com/the-primal-macarooned

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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by Street » March 31st, 2017, 5:18 am

ChasinElk wrote:Sorry can't get the pic to post here's a link to the sit

https://www.marigoldbars.com/the-primal-macarooned
They look tasty! I've been cooking these every week for my snack fix as part of my batching and prepping on a Sunday..

http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/chunky-monkey-oat-bars/

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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by optimuswolf » March 31st, 2017, 8:50 am

Hi all - just joined the forum and fairly new to erging. Hopefully this community will provide encouragement/pointers to meet my initial goals, which are

- Row a 7 min 2k
- Row a 40 min 10k
- Row a HM

Latest BPP results

3*2000m
Split 1 - 1:58:2
Split 2 - 1:58.1
Split 3 - 1:57.7

- 7500m - 2:00.7 - 27
- 1500m - 2:00.8 - 26
- 3000m - 2:00.8 - 27
- 4500m - 2:00.5 - 27
- 6000m - 2:01.3 - 27
- 7500m - 2:00.4 - 28
37, 82kg, 6'1"
Started rowing again in Jan '20+bikerg

Row: <7' 2K (7:08) ; <19' 5k (19:48)
Bike: 2.5w/kg FTP (2.9) new target 3.0
Run: <20' 5k (21.48) <44' 10k (tbc)

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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by mdpfirrman » March 31st, 2017, 8:57 am

Thanks Jack / Paul! Getting better bit by bit each day (emotionally). The head cold (really light one) has rolled into my chest already. I did manage to row that past 3 days. I'll probably follow the conventional wisdom (work out if above the neck and don't below the neck) and take off today and see how I feel Sunday.

@ Paul - I do a lot of these types of workouts, just even shorter in duration. If I'm not "active" on the full PP, it's great to do one fast speed workout a week and one AT workout a week (at least) to keep working on building your AT and your speed. I've read you have to work both every 10 days or so or you lose progress. I think that's the mistake, personally, I see people make (now this is just my opinion) when they change up plans. They'll do only long, hard rows or only interval work. I think that year long planning needs to have 3 elements - SS work, speed work and AT work all year long. How much of each is what's varied. You can emphasize weights and still row with all 3 elements. You can work lots of meters and still do all 3. You can sharpen using the PP (and that obviously works all 3). Nice intervals.

@ Tim - nice work. Very hard row. All the intermediate intervals are my least favorite!
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Re: Pete Plan 2017

Post by Anth_F » March 31st, 2017, 9:59 am

paul45 wrote:
A sub 40' 10k is a great feeling :wink:
I wouldn't know :lol:

One day though... one day :wink:
46 yo male 5'10 88kg (Rowing since june 9th 2016) PB's 5k 19:22 30min 7518m

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