How good is a 1:30/500m time?

boswell · Post by **boswell** » March 22nd, 2017, 5:31 pm

http://i.imgur.com/1UcO8QS.jpg

So im a very fit young guy both aerobically and anaerobically (my main sport is cycling), but havent really trained with a rowing machine although i know how to pace hard aerobic activities. I did this time, although it was my max at this current time, i reckon i could get this down to 1:15 if i actually tried.

So in terms of ranking, how average/ok is this?

Citroen · Post by **Citroen** » March 22nd, 2017, 7:17 pm

How much longer can you sustain that for? Because 513m in 1:38 is a lot different to being able to sustain 1:35.5 pace for a full 2K in 6:22.

Anth_F · Post by **Anth_F** » March 22nd, 2017, 7:21 pm

No idea what your stats are.

Input all of that into the concept 2 logbook for 500m event rankings then you will get your answer.

https://log.concept2.com/rankings

john_n · Post by **john_n** » March 22nd, 2017, 7:50 pm

boswell wrote:http://i.imgur.com/1UcO8QS.jpg

So im a very fit young guy both aerobically and anaerobically (my main sport is cycling), but havent really trained with a rowing machine although i know how to pace hard aerobic activities. I did this time, although it was my max at this current time, i reckon i could get this down to 1:15 if i actually tried.

So in terms of ranking, how average/ok is this?

Do 2,000 meters - that's the standard of comparison for Olympic and other recognized champion rowers.
Do the 2K in under 7 minutes and that's very good.
Under 6:30 is very, very good.
Under 6 minutes is world class in the 2K for a very young guy.

GJS · Post by **GJS** » March 22nd, 2017, 7:52 pm

1:30/ 500 = 480 watts
1:15/ 500 = 829 watts

15 seconds in this context represents a huge gulf. The mightily formidable 500m world record is 1:10.5. Keep at it, though.

jimmy1 · Post by **jimmy1** » March 22nd, 2017, 11:24 pm

Kinda new to this but the high 1:30s seem achievable. The 1:10s an order or two of magnitude more difficult. Virtually impossible for mortals. Within weeks I was able to hit 1:40 (which is closer to your time) and I will never, ever reach 1:30.

Carl Watts · Post by **Carl Watts** » March 23rd, 2017, 12:03 am

1:30 is pretty good for a 500m but as others have already pointed out 1:15 is miles away because the power required is a cubic law its its really beginning to take off at 1:30 pace as it is.

Also depends on your stats, if your 6'4' and like 115Kg and only in your 20's or 30's then thats not a great time.

hjs · Post by **hjs** » March 23rd, 2017, 2:20 am

boswell wrote:http://i.imgur.com/1UcO8QS.jpg

So im a very fit young guy both aerobically and anaerobically (my main sport is cycling), but havent really trained with a rowing machine although i know how to pace hard aerobic activities. I did this time, although it was my max at this current time, i reckon i could get this down to 1:15 if i actually tried.

So in terms of ranking, how average/ok is this?

1.15 would be good, 1.30 ok ish.

Wr 2k is 1.24 pace. Very good rowers keep 1.30 pace for 5km. That would be below 15 min.

bisqeet · Post by **bisqeet** » March 23rd, 2017, 4:01 am

don't all be so hard on him...
1:30 is a good start depending on your build / age / sex.
if your a cyclist then i'm guessing either borderline lwt or lwt.

your optimism in achieveing a 1:15 for the distance is good.
Be aware that the power required for that is not linear, a 15 sec increase would require a huge power increase that shouldn't be simplified.
dropping 15 seconds is not as easy as it might appear, but we wish you the best of luck. who knows maybe that would qualify for a world record in your class..

the 500m distance is more of a x-fit distance (which is good, gets more people active), but not a typical rowers distance.
typical would be 2000m or even more (I think the longest championship is 42195m; FullMarathon - Helsinki)

rowing is very aerobic, based on trying to keep quick paces over longer distances.

just to put that into relation - some of the top athletes could keep that pace up for much longer than 500m (10km WR 31:05 - 1:33/500m)

just to summarize:
yeh - its a great start. I'm sure you could use it to build from.
as a cyclist it shows good power. now try a 2k

sub7 is a pretty good standard to aim for ...

hjs · Post by **hjs** » March 23rd, 2017, 6:09 am

Re cycling, rowing is more a power endurance sport, you need and get more upperbody muscle. Relative speaking you proberly will do better on the longer distances. Short work on the c2 is very much being big and strong.

lindsayh · Post by **lindsayh** » March 23rd, 2017, 6:59 am

500m is a different beast and apart from fitness and strength you have to have a lot of fast twitchers as well so whilst 1:30 is ok (and better than that in some age/weight groups) sub 1:20 is much less common and requires much more than just trying harder. 500 @1:15 is very rare air. Cyclists by and large are not naturals for this type of erg endeavour (unless a track sprinter!) Specific training is needed working at anaerobic stuff several times a week and training to get to SR 40+ too. Have a look at the sprint thread as well. It helps to be big and strong too.

jamesg · Post by **jamesg** » March 23rd, 2017, 11:06 am

So in terms of ranking, how

If you went through 500m on that (Just Row?) screen in 1:30, that's 480 W and strokes (rate 41) worth almost 12W-min each. Not bad at all, and if LW (75 kg) 480/75 is over 6W/kg, very good.

Suggest you check how the PM is used, and do a few 500s as fixed distance (pressing a few odd buttons), then log them on your C2 Logbook page, in your age and weight group. This will tell you how you stand.

For reference, 20-30 yo LWs range from 1:20 to 1:36 on the first page (50 entries). HWs all at or faster than 1:20, first page.

Anth_F · Post by **Anth_F** » March 23rd, 2017, 12:14 pm

jimmy1 wrote:Kinda new to this but the high 1:30s seem achievable. The 1:10s an order or two of magnitude more difficult. Virtually impossible for mortals. Within weeks I was able to hit 1:40 (which is closer to your time) and I will never, ever reach 1:30.

No idea if i would ever reach 1:30!!!! One stroke think i pulled a 1:30 before

Of course, i am not a big guy either so.

jimmy1 · Post by **jimmy1** » March 23rd, 2017, 1:17 pm

Anth_F wrote:
No idea if i would ever reach 1:30!!!! One stroke think i pulled a 1:30 before

I was spoiled to see how quickly the seconds improved early on. Hit 1:42 and it's taken months to get to 1:40. OP is presumably in excellent aerobic condition so no low hanging fruit there. Getting from his 1:35 type time to 1:15 solely on technical and strength seems virtually impossible.... but a great goal. I'll spend a year with a 1:38 goal and don't know if I'll make it lol

Anth_F · Post by **Anth_F** » March 23rd, 2017, 2:05 pm

jimmy1 wrote:
Anth_F wrote:
No idea if i would ever reach 1:30!!!! One stroke think i pulled a 1:30 before

I was spoiled to see how quickly the seconds improved early on.

That goes for pretty much every aspect of rowing when new to it. You can make fast headway early on and it feels great... then after a bit the gains become smaller and smaller. And really need to work very harder to make more.

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