Sync Row Sessions to Training Peaks
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Re: Sync Row Sessions to Training Peaks
Yes. I train on two bikes. My "fast" bike with a compact drivetrain has the PowerTap hub. My second bike is steel,and has a triple ring drive train. I use the PowerCal with it. I train about 80% on the steel bike. I find it to be much easier on the old body. Let me also point out that all of my riding is done on terrain that is either rollers, or an extended, one hour plus climb.
Let me anticipate what your next question will be. Do I see differences in the power figures between the two bikes? The answer is Yes. Its about 3%, and the additional power translates into a substantially higher vertical assent rate. But those results are predictable given the differences in gearing and weight between the two bikes. And remember, you have to factor in the differences in temperature, wind, hydration and timing of the ride in the training block. Believe me, when I rollout on the "fast" bike, it is early in the training block, I am rested, and I'm loaded for bear! The only thing I'm interested in is how fast I get to the top. The differences in the power figures between the two bikes, and the effect on my total TSS score for the week, is in my opinion perfectly acceptable.
If anything, I could opt to use the PowerCal full-time and thereby eliminate any confusion. The only time I see any real advantage to having an absolutely accurate wattage measurement is when your livelihood depends on your sprint! Not my situation. Total workload monitoring (TSS) is my objective whether it's acquired on the bike, rower, Skierg or Airdyne.
Let me anticipate what your next question will be. Do I see differences in the power figures between the two bikes? The answer is Yes. Its about 3%, and the additional power translates into a substantially higher vertical assent rate. But those results are predictable given the differences in gearing and weight between the two bikes. And remember, you have to factor in the differences in temperature, wind, hydration and timing of the ride in the training block. Believe me, when I rollout on the "fast" bike, it is early in the training block, I am rested, and I'm loaded for bear! The only thing I'm interested in is how fast I get to the top. The differences in the power figures between the two bikes, and the effect on my total TSS score for the week, is in my opinion perfectly acceptable.
If anything, I could opt to use the PowerCal full-time and thereby eliminate any confusion. The only time I see any real advantage to having an absolutely accurate wattage measurement is when your livelihood depends on your sprint! Not my situation. Total workload monitoring (TSS) is my objective whether it's acquired on the bike, rower, Skierg or Airdyne.
Re: Sync Row Sessions to Training Peaks
That's fantastic Gringo.
You have done well to ensure consistency in power over 3 x Machines.
What other other rowing software do you use to analyse more specific rowing metrics outside of the TP software?
When using the PowerCal, do you warm up first to get your heart beating at a certain level to help with optimising the data acquision into its power algorithym?
How many hours per week do you row with input into your TSS?
What would you like to see changed in TP and Garmin to assist in reviewing row specific metrics?
What workouts do you undertake on the rollers?
How do you use "vertical assent rate" as a tool for climbing?
How do you manage the variation of time, temperature, hydration, etc. into trying to optimise accuracy and consistency in TSS over repeated training events?
What average time range (3sec, 5 sec, etc.) do you employ when using the Powercal on both the Rower and bike's?
Does the Powercal provide HR data as well as calculated power?
Romper
You have done well to ensure consistency in power over 3 x Machines.
What other other rowing software do you use to analyse more specific rowing metrics outside of the TP software?
When using the PowerCal, do you warm up first to get your heart beating at a certain level to help with optimising the data acquision into its power algorithym?
How many hours per week do you row with input into your TSS?
What would you like to see changed in TP and Garmin to assist in reviewing row specific metrics?
What workouts do you undertake on the rollers?
How do you use "vertical assent rate" as a tool for climbing?
How do you manage the variation of time, temperature, hydration, etc. into trying to optimise accuracy and consistency in TSS over repeated training events?
What average time range (3sec, 5 sec, etc.) do you employ when using the Powercal on both the Rower and bike's?
Does the Powercal provide HR data as well as calculated power?
Romper
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Re: Sync Row Sessions to Training Peaks
Have you ever been part of a conversation, listening and nodding wisely for a while before you realise you don't actually understand a thing anyone is saying!!
Best of luck guys and new year wishes for 2017
Best of luck guys and new year wishes for 2017
Lindsay
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PBs (65y+) 1 min 349m, 500m 1:29.8, 1k 3:11.7 2k 6:47.4, 5km 18:07.9, 30' 7928m, 10k 37:57.2, 60' 15368m
73yo 93kg
Sydney Australia
Forum Flyer
PBs (65y+) 1 min 349m, 500m 1:29.8, 1k 3:11.7 2k 6:47.4, 5km 18:07.9, 30' 7928m, 10k 37:57.2, 60' 15368m
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Re: Sync Row Sessions to Training Peaks
For rowing related metrics I suggest you try my website rowsandall.com.
It accepts native data from Painsled, imports from the C2 logbook (provided you use ErgData or Painsled or another app that records stroke by stroke data. You can use it with RowPro, BoatCoach and more. You can upload TCX or FIT files and you can sync your data with Strava, SportTracks, RunKeeper and the C2 logbook.
Advanced charting and analysis inside the web app.
It accepts native data from Painsled, imports from the C2 logbook (provided you use ErgData or Painsled or another app that records stroke by stroke data. You can use it with RowPro, BoatCoach and more. You can upload TCX or FIT files and you can sync your data with Strava, SportTracks, RunKeeper and the C2 logbook.
Advanced charting and analysis inside the web app.

Training Blog: http://blog.rowsandall.com/
Free Data and Analysis. For Rowers. By Rowers: http://rowsandall.com
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Re: Sync Row Sessions to Training Peaks
lindsayh wrote:Have you ever been part of a conversation, listening and nodding wisely for a while before you realise you don't actually understand a thing anyone is saying!!
Best of luck guys and new year wishes for 2017

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Re: Sync Row Sessions to Training Peaks
I am totally in awe of the numbers guys henry but just can't do it either - I think it is a very cool hobby actually and I am a bit jealous at times.hjs wrote:lindsayh wrote:Have you ever been part of a conversation, listening and nodding wisely for a while before you realise you don't actually understand a thing anyone is saying!!
Best of luck guys and new year wishes for 2017I always think with stuff like this, al nice and well this datamining, but it won,t help your training on bit. Its just a extra hobby on top of the phycical work.
Lindsay
73yo 93kg
Sydney Australia
Forum Flyer
PBs (65y+) 1 min 349m, 500m 1:29.8, 1k 3:11.7 2k 6:47.4, 5km 18:07.9, 30' 7928m, 10k 37:57.2, 60' 15368m
73yo 93kg
Sydney Australia
Forum Flyer
PBs (65y+) 1 min 349m, 500m 1:29.8, 1k 3:11.7 2k 6:47.4, 5km 18:07.9, 30' 7928m, 10k 37:57.2, 60' 15368m
- hjs
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Re: Sync Row Sessions to Training Peaks
It certainly is a skill, I am often to lazy to put effort in stuff like thislindsayh wrote: I am totally in awe of the numbers guys henry but just can't do it either - I think it is a very cool hobby actually and I am a bit jealous at times.


We now could use ergdata, would give us info. A foon and a right cable is enough.
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All God's chillen got foons now and ED is freeware from good old C2. You could do worse for accurate stroke rate count and stroke rate av. (still need to divide stroke count by decimal minutes for that one), upload of results to log with graphs, and bluetooth wireless connection fone to monitor for the PM5 users, umbilicus for PM3 and 4. Dag.
There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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Re: Sync Row Sessions to Training Peaks
I see a problem jackjackarabit wrote:All God's chillen got foons now and ED is freeware from good old C2. You could do worse for accurate stroke rate count and stroke rate av. (still need to divide stroke count by decimal minutes for that one), upload of results to log with graphs, and bluetooth wireless connection fone to monitor for the PM5 users, umbilicus for PM3 and 4. Dag.



Will pick a cable soon, for fun, stats won,t make me row a lick faster. Nmr one feedback is the feedback from my body.