Just 30 mins a day?
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
My current work out is right around 30 minutes. I change things up every several months. I tried the high mileage approach back in the spring (ten 100k weeks at 2:08 to 2:10 pace with no speed work). Rowed OTW all summer at mostly easy pace with a bump up at the end training for and completing a head race. Now I've settled on the following schedule each week:
(8) x 250meters on 3 min rest (currently at 1:43 pace)
(10) x 30sec on 2 1/2min rest (1:37 pace)
4000m hard steady pace (1:55 pace) alternate every other week with (2) x 2000m
Then on the weekend do an easy 7500m to 10k on Sat and Sun
I finish up with 40k to 50k for the week. On the intervals I row very easy during the rest periods. I'm taking very long rests so I can hit each interval very hard with no fade from first to last. Then the 4k is at threshold the whole way. The long weekend rows are very easy (2:10 pace). I guess this approaches a "polarized training" approach as about 40% of the meters are very easy, 40% are very hard, and 20% are in the hard, steady threshold area. I've got a good feeling about this pattern, I lost all of my speed doing the big easy meters, but it's quite possible that big base is supporting the intervals.
(8) x 250meters on 3 min rest (currently at 1:43 pace)
(10) x 30sec on 2 1/2min rest (1:37 pace)
4000m hard steady pace (1:55 pace) alternate every other week with (2) x 2000m
Then on the weekend do an easy 7500m to 10k on Sat and Sun
I finish up with 40k to 50k for the week. On the intervals I row very easy during the rest periods. I'm taking very long rests so I can hit each interval very hard with no fade from first to last. Then the 4k is at threshold the whole way. The long weekend rows are very easy (2:10 pace). I guess this approaches a "polarized training" approach as about 40% of the meters are very easy, 40% are very hard, and 20% are in the hard, steady threshold area. I've got a good feeling about this pattern, I lost all of my speed doing the big easy meters, but it's quite possible that big base is supporting the intervals.
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
Far away from polarisedEdward4492 wrote:
I finish up with 40k to 50k for the week. On the intervals I row very easy during the rest periods. I'm taking very long rests so I can hit each interval very hard with no fade from first to last. Then the 4k is at threshold the whole way. The long weekend rows are very easy (2:10 pace). I guess this approaches a "polarized training" approach as about 40% of the meters are very easy, 40% are very hard, and 20% are in the hard, steady threshold area. I've got a good feeling about this pattern, I lost all of my speed doing the big easy meters, but it's quite possible that big base is supporting the intervals.
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
That's a huge amount of rest given the total distance in those piecesEdward4492 wrote:(8) x 250meters on 3 min rest (currently at 1:43 pace)
(10) x 30sec on 2 1/2min rest (1:37 pace)
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
Tried this tonight and did 8x250 m @ 1:37 pace with 1 minute restEdward4492 wrote:My current work out is right around 30 minutes. I change things up every several months. I tried the high mileage approach back in the spring (ten 100k weeks at 2:08 to 2:10 pace with no speed work). Rowed OTW all summer at mostly easy pace with a bump up at the end training for and completing a head race. Now I've settled on the following schedule each week:
(8) x 250meters on 3 min rest (currently at 1:43 pace)
(10) x 30sec on 2 1/2min rest (1:37 pace)
4000m hard steady pace (1:55 pace) alternate every other week with (2) x 2000m
Then on the weekend do an easy 7500m to 10k on Sat and Sun
I finish up with 40k to 50k for the week. On the intervals I row very easy during the rest periods. I'm taking very long rests so I can hit each interval very hard with no fade from first to last. Then the 4k is at threshold the whole way. The long weekend rows are very easy (2:10 pace). I guess this approaches a "polarized training" approach as about 40% of the meters are very easy, 40% are very hard, and 20% are in the hard, steady threshold area. I've got a good feeling about this pattern, I lost all of my speed doing the big easy meters, but it's quite possible that big base is supporting the intervals.
Last edited by MarkEg on November 16th, 2016, 5:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
500m -- 1.30
2k-- 6:51.0
5K-- 18-56
6K--22.32
30min-- 7848
10K-- 38-54
HM - 1 hr 28
Started Rowing seriously, December 2015
46 years old
5 ft 10 ins
185 Lbs
Twitter @markeglinton
2k-- 6:51.0
5K-- 18-56
6K--22.32
30min-- 7848
10K-- 38-54
HM - 1 hr 28
Started Rowing seriously, December 2015
46 years old
5 ft 10 ins
185 Lbs
Twitter @markeglinton
Re: Just 30 mins a day?
i thought that, especially on the 10x30sgooseflight wrote:That's a huge amount of rest given the total distance in those piecesEdward4492 wrote:(8) x 250meters on 3 min rest (currently at 1:43 pace)
(10) x 30sec on 2 1/2min rest (1:37 pace)
2 1/2 mins rest? Way too much resting time between those intervals that.
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
Dang Mark - 8 x 500's at 1:37 on 1' rest is lots faster than when you did 1:43's or 4s before your 2K test a few months ago. What an improvement in such a short time! What's that now - sub 6:30 2K!?
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
It is, but I've had another 2K in between which should have been quite a bit better than it was if I'd paced it correctly. Feel like my power has really stepped up. The Aerobic side is fine-ish -- I've been slacking a little there -- but the power per stroke etc has really increased. I had a max pull of around 800 watts the other day. Why this has happened, I don't know. I've not eaten crap in a long time -- and have been very disciplined with the post and pre workout protein etc. Other than that, I don't knowG-dub wrote:Dang Mark - 8 x 500's at 1:37 on 1' rest is lots faster than when you did 1:43's or 4s before your 2K test a few months ago. What an improvement in such a short time!
500m -- 1.30
2k-- 6:51.0
5K-- 18-56
6K--22.32
30min-- 7848
10K-- 38-54
HM - 1 hr 28
Started Rowing seriously, December 2015
46 years old
5 ft 10 ins
185 Lbs
Twitter @markeglinton
2k-- 6:51.0
5K-- 18-56
6K--22.32
30min-- 7848
10K-- 38-54
HM - 1 hr 28
Started Rowing seriously, December 2015
46 years old
5 ft 10 ins
185 Lbs
Twitter @markeglinton
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
I was hoping you were going to say "oops, I meant 250's!" That is amazing - 6:30 here we come.
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
really ? Not 250 rep? 8x500 on 1 is almost certain 2km pace give or take 1 or 2 secondsMarkEg wrote:It is, but I've had another 2K in between which should have been quite a bit better than it was if I'd paced it correctly. Feel like my power has really stepped up. The Aerobic side is fine-ish -- I've been slacking a little there -- but the power per stroke etc has really increased. I had a max pull of around 800 watts the other day. Why this has happened, I don't know. I've not eaten crap in a long time -- and have been very disciplined with the post and pre workout protein etc. Other than that, I don't knowG-dub wrote:Dang Mark - 8 x 500's at 1:37 on 1' rest is lots faster than when you did 1:43's or 4s before your 2K test a few months ago. What an improvement in such a short time!
Re: Just 30 mins a day?
Yeah it's 250'S, I typed that in the other thread but not here ( I have no amended) I was doing it in response to someone else's idea, Edward's maybe. Still quite happy with it. I've improved, but not THAT muchhjs wrote:really ? Not 250 rep? 8x500 on 1 is almost certain 2km pace give or take 1 or 2 secondsMarkEg wrote:It is, but I've had another 2K in between which should have been quite a bit better than it was if I'd paced it correctly. Feel like my power has really stepped up. The Aerobic side is fine-ish -- I've been slacking a little there -- but the power per stroke etc has really increased. I had a max pull of around 800 watts the other day. Why this has happened, I don't know. I've not eaten crap in a long time -- and have been very disciplined with the post and pre workout protein etc. Other than that, I don't knowG-dub wrote:Dang Mark - 8 x 500's at 1:37 on 1' rest is lots faster than when you did 1:43's or 4s before your 2K test a few months ago. What an improvement in such a short time!
500m -- 1.30
2k-- 6:51.0
5K-- 18-56
6K--22.32
30min-- 7848
10K-- 38-54
HM - 1 hr 28
Started Rowing seriously, December 2015
46 years old
5 ft 10 ins
185 Lbs
Twitter @markeglinton
2k-- 6:51.0
5K-- 18-56
6K--22.32
30min-- 7848
10K-- 38-54
HM - 1 hr 28
Started Rowing seriously, December 2015
46 years old
5 ft 10 ins
185 Lbs
Twitter @markeglinton
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
I was going to ask what protein you were using!
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
Thought do, this is more 1k pace. So pretty in line with your 2kMarkEg wrote:
Yeah it's 250'S, I typed that in the other thread but not here ( I have no amended) I was doing it in response to someone else's idea, Edward's maybe. Still quite happy with it. I've improved, but not THAT much
Re: Just 30 mins a day?
Yeah , although the first couple were at 1:39 ish, the last two at 1:32 ish.
500m -- 1.30
2k-- 6:51.0
5K-- 18-56
6K--22.32
30min-- 7848
10K-- 38-54
HM - 1 hr 28
Started Rowing seriously, December 2015
46 years old
5 ft 10 ins
185 Lbs
Twitter @markeglinton
2k-- 6:51.0
5K-- 18-56
6K--22.32
30min-- 7848
10K-- 38-54
HM - 1 hr 28
Started Rowing seriously, December 2015
46 years old
5 ft 10 ins
185 Lbs
Twitter @markeglinton
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
All over the place Stuff like this is fun, some people do them a lot. Pacing a always is important, a next time start around 1.36, not slower.MarkEg wrote:Yeah , although the first couple were at 1:39 ish, the last two at 1:32 ish.
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Re: Just 30 mins a day?
30 mins per session is about all I have time to do at the moment, try to get 5 or 6 a week. It does work for me to a certain extent. Most sessions are 30r20 and 30r22 and all top end UT1.
The sessions are very progressive, push hard with a step back week on week. Need to mix in a few rate restricted 2k and 5k sessions to gauge improvements. Speed work not needed at this stage but some Fartlek type sessions are good to break it up a bit. Usually a mix of 30r20/r24 quite random.
Think this will only take me so far and will need to extend sessions on the same basis to 10k and 12k and reduce some of the intensity to UT2.
Ideal sessions for me in the past have been top end UT2 16k r20 but not enough spare time to get to these just yet.
Should be able to get to 6.40 2k on 30min a day but need to be smart to get faster...............
The sessions are very progressive, push hard with a step back week on week. Need to mix in a few rate restricted 2k and 5k sessions to gauge improvements. Speed work not needed at this stage but some Fartlek type sessions are good to break it up a bit. Usually a mix of 30r20/r24 quite random.
Think this will only take me so far and will need to extend sessions on the same basis to 10k and 12k and reduce some of the intensity to UT2.
Ideal sessions for me in the past have been top end UT2 16k r20 but not enough spare time to get to these just yet.
Should be able to get to 6.40 2k on 30min a day but need to be smart to get faster...............
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PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6
PBs 2k 6:16.4 5k 16:37.5 10k 34:35.5 30m 8727 60m 17059 HM 74:25.9 FM 2:43:48.8
50s PBs 2k 6.24.3 5k 16.55.4 6k 20.34.2 10k 35.19.0 30m 8633 60m 16685 HM 76.48.7
60s PBs 5k 17.51.2 10k 36.42.6 30m 8263 60m 16089 HM 79.16.6