New American 500m record and questioning dogma

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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by hjs » May 26th, 2016, 4:46 am

Balkan boy wrote:I knew you were going to say it's not real sport. :D

Maybe that's the path to the mainstream: overweight/health >> amateurs >> fringe sports >> top athletes.

HFLC works for me, but I'm really interested if we will all look at it as fad in 5-10 years.
Haha, I try to be consistant :P

Mwa, looking at the general health of lots of people something does go wrong. It proberly won,t change easily, but the very processed foods we now eat so much diviate very much from what is available naturaly. Sugars, in nature are eaten, in limited time frames. Animals eat them to gain weight in the summer to build reserves for winter times. That kind of living is left behind by us. Changes are going rapidly these days, in every aspect, no doubt our way of eating will also change a lot.

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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by Pie Man » May 26th, 2016, 4:47 am

Congratulations Shawn, and great to see a long stroke rather than the short stroke huge upper body pull of a lot of 500m records.

As to your diet is there another thread where this is discussed in more detail?
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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by lindsayh » May 26th, 2016, 6:51 am

Pie Man wrote:As to your diet is there another thread where this is discussed in more detail?
There has been quite a lot of discussion on the UK thread in the past few years especially Glynn The Big fella is a great disciple
(there are others there as well but hard to find - Glynn has photos of his meals somewhere as well

http://indoorsportservices.co.uk/forum/ ... &sk=t&sd=a

http://indoorsportservices.co.uk/forum/ ... =9&t=25618
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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by Shawn Baker » May 26th, 2016, 9:59 am

Thanks all

With regard to diet- gave of processed foods about 4 years ago, transitioned to "Paleo-ish" diet 3 years ago and then about 6 months later low carb /high fat and over last year started doing intermittent fastin

Henry- Zach Bitters is one of the more notable elite endurance athletes to switch and has set several ultra endurance running records, Kobe Bryant also shifted his diet this way and credits it with prolonging his career

I see the most utility not so much in fuel partitioning but in decreasing or minimizing chronic inflammatory response

Lindsay- that's for posting the links as they were one of the reasons I started to investigate this stuff
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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by mdpfirrman » May 26th, 2016, 11:34 am

Nice work Shawn!! Very impressive though I get a bit pissed off looking at videos of tall / strong guys like you when I'm 5'10" and I'm working my ass off just to get under a 7 minute 2K!! You make it look too easy (though I know it's not).

I have a lot of respect for your eating / nutrition. My wife has fibromyalgia. An important part of our diet (I follow it to for support) is very, very little processed foods and limiting carbs. We also have eliminated dairy. We are also gluten free (and we don't eat a lot of the "gluten free" replacement crap). The refined sugar is the hardest part - it's in damn near everything. That's not an accident to eat like that, it takes as much dedication as the "work" part of it throughout the day and week. And from what I'm learning, you can't go back and forth. Diet has to be "all in" because if you go low carb (truly low carb) and then eat a bunch of carbs (like an average day for most) you get physically sick.

Kudos to you for all your hard work and dedication!
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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by Hillclimber » May 26th, 2016, 2:26 pm

Congratulations, Shawn!
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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by Edward4492 » May 26th, 2016, 2:53 pm

Shawn, very nice! Nice prelude to some of those 50+ WR's perhaps. I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum from you (165lb 6' 59 yrs old). I went fairly strict low carb when I started competing in erg comps and managed to drop from 175 to sub 165 pretty easily. When I'm "in season" I find it easy to get right down to 160-162lbs. simply by tightening up a bit (no wine, no sugar in my coffee). Right now I'm experimenting a bit with high volume and had a couple of severe bonks that I managed to mitigate with some quick junk carbs (Clif bars are my favorite). Recently did a marathon at a decent pace (2:11 pace). Ate a banana and half a Clif bar during the event. That was it. Seems to me that I adapted well to low carb, but when I'm pushing the pure endurance window out past the 15k mark I need some extra carbs.

Anyway, nice controlled effort. Can't imagine pulling against a 200+ df. I don't think I could move the handle!

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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by Bloodbuzz Corio » May 26th, 2016, 4:03 pm

Shawn, congratulations!

I'm really impressed with your precision throughout this whole process in terms of both strokes and pace - obviously at these distances a tenth of a second can make all the difference but really seems like you're in control of that tenth of a second at present, which at the speed you're going at is tremendous.

Loved the understated fist pump at the end of the row in the video too!
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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by Leo Young » May 26th, 2016, 4:08 pm

Nice effort Shawn, at a low rating. I'll be keen to see what you can do once you progress up to rating 40+. You've certainly demonstrated a very easy, effective and relatively painless training progression method for doing a respectable 500m time.

Interestingly, I had coincidentally been toying with experimenting with basically the same idea myself (beginning with trying achieve 500+ watts over 500m, at an average rating of only 20, or less, i.e. 25 watts per stroke/min), as a means of getting some good 'bang for bucks' from the most minimalistic and painless training process possible. But you've beaten me to it, in proving the concept. Thanks for openly sharing your training journey, as I watch closely with interest.

By the way, for what it's worth, as a Sports Scientist and Clinical Nutritionist, I've consistently practiced intermittent fasting for almost 15 years now, originally eating only once a day (fasting 23 hours a day), but in recent years more successfully modified to fasting only 18 hours a day, training and eating twice a day. Whilst I've also experimented carefully with low carb eating, the medium to long term effects are negative and actually end up creating insulin resistance. A better regime is to restrict eating carbs to the most insulin sensitive window, within the first hour after training, coupled with protein, but mimimisng fats during that time, but then resorting to fats and protein, coupled with zero carbs, only 3 hours after carb ingestion.
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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by Pie Man » May 26th, 2016, 4:21 pm

Thanks lindsayh and Shawn for the links and details.
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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by Shawn Baker » May 26th, 2016, 4:43 pm

Thanks again all!


Leo, I find that the stroke power index to be a very valuable tool for this event- if I only need to take 45 strokes using a very efficient stroke (from a power generation perspective), I find it far more palatable than having to take 55 strokes using a much less efficient stroke. I think the question about food timing to be interesting and I don't know that it has been solved, but to me it is pretty clear that the constant infusion of processed carbohydrate that has become the standard diet is definitely the wrong way to go.
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Re: New American 500m record and questioning dogma

Post by paule23 » May 27th, 2016, 11:36 am

Holy cow, 1'17! I've never even pulled below 1'30, let alone keep it up for 500m.

Top effort.

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