Pete Plan Summer 2015 starts June 14

[f2d]

Yeah, everybody is going to have different goals and methodologies. There's no right or wrong as long as the workouts are challenging and good form is used.

I feel that stuff like seat pain is a result of some underlying problem (weak glute muscles), so some effort should be taken to solve the actual problem, and not just go around it.

[christopherregisryan]

Yeah, everybody is going to have different goals and methodologies. There's no right or wrong as long as the workouts are challenging and good form is used.

I feel that stuff like seat pain is a result of some underlying problem (weak glute muscles), so some effort should be taken to solve the actual problem, and not just go around it.

Couldn't agree more. For me, it is tight hamstrings and hips that cause my glutes and lower back to hurt on longer pieces. I need the UT2 work so I try to keep my legs and hips stretched as I go along. Good luck with your Pete Plan program. I hope you exceed your goals! Best. - Chris

[Bob S.]

crr writes:

If you are trying to use your UT2 steady state to build aerobic fitness, I think it is ok to get up once in a while to relieve seat pain and get your longer rows done.

Makes sense.

For aerobic fitness, yes. For marathon training, a progression of longer and longer continuous pieces help to build a tolerance for butt pain. And to some extent help to get used to going without water for long periods - at a least up to the time it takes to do a half marathon. After that, getting a drink, food, and/or a quick stretch becomes part of the training.

[f2d]

crr writes:

If you are trying to use your UT2 steady state to build aerobic fitness, I think it is ok to get up once in a while to relieve seat pain and get your longer rows done.

Makes sense.

For aerobic fitness, yes. For marathon training, a progression of longer and longer continuous pieces help to build a tolerance for butt pain. And to some extent help to get used to going without water for long periods - at a least up to the time it takes to do a half marathon. After that, getting a drink, food, and/or a quick stretch becomes part of the training.

When people ACTUALLY row the full marathon though, do they go without water for the whole time? Or do they do some kind of beer hat type dealio? I imagine stopping even for 15 seconds would be unacceptable if you're trying to do a best time.

Right now my longest rows are 10K, and I don't think I would ever exceed a half marathon since I have no desire to do those types of distances, so that likely won't be an issue for me.

[Bob S.]

When people ACTUALLY row the full marathon though, do they go without water for the whole time? Or do they do some kind of beer hat type dealio? I imagine stopping even for 15 seconds would be unacceptable if you're trying to do a best time.

I don't remember any report of anyone doing that. A number of forum members have reported various clever ways they have devised to get water (and food in some cases) with a minimum of lost time. It is tricky to do it and requires practice to perfect such a system.

Some will even ingest water or sports drinks during a half marathon, but I don't think that it is necessary. Even my very slow geriatric HMs were under 96 minutes. If you hydrate well beforehand, there is no need to rehydrate in that period. If someone is stuck with having to do an HM under hot, humid conditions it is no doubt a different matter.

The art of mid-row rehydration and refueling really comes into play on the ultra marathon stuff, like the 100k and 24 hour rows, which not only require water and nutrition, but also bathroom breaks and some ergers even work in brief naps. They probably need a support team of some sort.

[f2d]

When people ACTUALLY row the full marathon though, do they go without water for the whole time? Or do they do some kind of beer hat type dealio? I imagine stopping even for 15 seconds would be unacceptable if you're trying to do a best time.

I don't remember any report of anyone doing that. A number of forum members have reported various clever ways they have devised to get water (and food in some cases) with a minimum of lost time. It is tricky to do it and requires practice to perfect such a system.

Some will even ingest water or sports drinks during a half marathon, but I don't think that it is necessary. Even my very slow geriatric HMs were under 96 minutes. If you hydrate well beforehand, there is no need to rehydrate in that period. If someone is stuck with having to do an HM under hot, humid conditions it is no doubt a different matter.

The art of mid-row rehydration and refueling really comes into play on the ultra marathon stuff, like the 100k and 24 hour rows, which not only require water and nutrition, but also bathroom breaks and some ergers even work in brief naps. They probably need a support team of some sort.

Yeah, I could see a support person helping out in this aspect, occasionally giving the rower a squirt of water or something.

For a HM it's definitely not necessary if you're doing it indoors in an air conditioned room.

I did quit a 10K last week because I was dying of thirst. That was a combination of me feeling sick + poor preparation. If I was properly hydrated it shouldn't have been an issue even being sick.

[jackarabit]

Move your right hand (or left if you're left handed or trust the motor skills of the left more than the right) to the relieved web at the middle of the current Model D/E handle. Hook the middle finger into the central opening and thumb underneath. Keep pulling with the one hand at full slide; release the handle and grab the water bottle or Camelback tubing with the other; expel breath and inhale less than full breath; drink. Spit out the tube/set down the bottle; return snack and drink hand to handle; shift the confident hand outboard on the handle; continue to pull. If you don't understand the breathe control bit prior to drinking, you'll choke. I didn't bother to drink or eat in the last 2 of 4 HMs and I still stink. I do just a little better each time. Jack

[BrunoBTR]

A month of traveling south america and a week of jetlag induced couch potato => Time to start again from scratch. Started with a steady 6k today, felt good.

[atlanticnav]

Appreciate the response to my last post.

I enjoy reading this thread- I like the approach you guys take and the corresponding humor.

Anyone else training for Feb erg races? I am on day 3 of PP cycle 2. Don't plan on going for continuous PP between now and Feb, but am going to finish this one out and figure it out from there. So far, I feel much stronger this cycle. Managed to hold a 1:46 average on my 1500s today (1:51 3 weeks ago).

I fully expect to turn to this crowd for some motivation when a few weeks of travel, or the stomach bug takes me off my plan and I have to re-build (or Thanksgiving), but for now am enjoying the speed gains. Going to ride it out as long as I can.

[G-dub]

I am training to race in February. I raced in Atlanta last year for the first time and really had fun (there was around 7:08 that weren't as fun as the rest, if you catch my drift). I'm hoping to have as much fun this year but spend less time doing it! I know I will be more prepared. Clearly the term "racing" doesn't really apply to me so much. It's more about participating.

[christopherregisryan]

So far, I feel much stronger this cycle. Managed to hold a 1:46 average on my 1500s today (1:51 3 weeks ago).

5 split improvement!!! Wow! With that kind of cycle to cycle gain, you might consider sticking with Pete for a few more weeks. Both the time and the improvement are excellent. If your speed intervals are comparably speedy, you should be knocking on the door of 6:30 soon!

[f2d]

A month of traveling south america and a week of jetlag induced couch potato => Time to start again from scratch. Started with a steady 6k today, felt good.

Isn't it just amazing just how fast your body decays when you get lazy?

[Galeere]

I am training to race in February. I raced in Atlanta last year for the first time and really had fun (there was around 7:08 that weren't as fun as the rest, if you catch my drift). I'm hoping to have as much fun this year but spend less time doing it! I know I will be more prepared. Clearly the term "racing" doesn't really apply to me so much. It's more about participating.

Judging from past result 2015 in your category you are good for a result right in the middle of the field at the crash-Bs Glenn. Are you going to race there as well?

[Galeere]

Anyone else training for Feb erg races? I am on day 3 of PP cycle 2. Don't plan on going for continuous PP between now and Feb, but am going to finish this one out and figure it out from there. So far, I feel much stronger this cycle. Managed to hold a 1:46 average on my 1500s today (1:51 3 weeks ago).

Congratulations to this amazing improvement. I am trying to boost my aerobic system by training for a FM right now but would sure like to be part of the crowd at the Crash-Bs.

[G-dub]

Galeere, it would be super fun to go to Boston to watch the big boys and girls. For me it will be a decision made later this year - mostly to see how the rest of what I am doing shakes out.