Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

as usual ranger is being too modest....
Let me add

I lowered the 50s lwt WR on the erg by 3.5 seconds on three rows.

First, by 1.5 seconds.

Then by another second.

Then by another second.

Then by 26 seconds, as I will when I surpass Brian Bailey's WR for 2k

This is absolutely normal in the erging world.
I think he means ABBY NORMAL


Sure, people come out of the blue all the time and do such things.
Sure, they do! (Let's humor him)
And, as we have seen, these things are passing.
Like two kidney stones, passing in the night

After they are done, someone else comes out of the blue and bests what they have done.
Wow! A veritable host of "someones"!
Don't you think, Herr Doktor, that the subject has a persecution complex? The patient imagines the walls of his cubicle crawling with "someones"

And so it goes.
(One of my favorite ranger-isms)

If I pull a lwt 6:16 2K at 60, something entirely different (would)happen.

6:16 is better than the 40s lwt WR (and therefore the 55s and 50s lwt WRs, too).

In fact, 6:16 is a whole lot better than the _hwt_ 60s WR, and the _hwt_ 55s WR, too.

6:16 is 26.5 seconds better than the 60s lwt WR of 6:42.5.

That's 6.5 seconds per 500m, 75 watts.

In a 2K, 26 seconds is about 150m.

Snore!....
(being 'positive') Excellent arithmatic, Quasimodo!

Now, fasten your seatbelts, ranger's yellow stream of consciousness is taking us down the toilet of his logic =>
Ranger is forgetting that only his erg moves, when the tape comes loose from his erg on the floor of his cave.. He dreams of backing his erg into a stake boat and blasting off...
In a race OTW, that would be something like twenty boat lengths.

Things like this are an entirely different issue.
oops, he saw his flaw

I have no interest in pulling 6:40, like Roy.

Sure, it would be a WR, but rowing badly.

Been there, done that.

So has Roy.

ranger

Rich: Go to bed. The order comes directly from your imaginary friend, Juice Lady.
You've already figuratively emptied your bladder here. You're fresh out of piss and vinegar...

[ranger]

Mike--

You're such a party pooper.

Lighten up, dude.

When I rip off that lwt 6:16 at 60, this town ain't never gonna be the same.



Save a horse, ride a cowboy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt0_oPPK6eA

ranger

[ranger]

Things like this are an entirely different issue.

oops, he saw his flaw

No flaw at all.

In order to pull 6:27.5 for 2K OTErg at 52, I rowed hard for about six months.

In order to learn to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.), and therefore put myself in a position to pull a lwt 6:16 2K at 60, I rowed hard for another eight years.

Hard work can produce significant things.

That's not flawed thinking at all.

If you think so, you've never done anything hard.

Races are won, and goals met, in preparation--what you put in the batter, how you mix it up.

The performance is just the icing on the cake.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Mike--

You're such a party pooper.

Lighten up, dude.

When I rip off that lwt 6:16 at 60, this town ain't never gonna be the same.

Okay... I'll bite!
Let's put on our two-man party costume! How about a Zebra! or a Horse.
I'll sit bow, you remain in back, the horse's ass.

Even in cyber space you can't always get your wish and redirect the tone of the exchanges.

But, good luck with your 1ks OTW!

~over & out ~

[ranger]

In order to pull 6:27.5 for 2K OTErg at 52, I rowed hard for about six months.

In order to learn to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.), and therefore put myself in a position to pull a lwt 6:16 2K at 60, I rowed hard for another eight years.

Hard work can produce significant things.

That's not flawed thinking at all.

If I pull a FM @ 1:48 in a month or so, as I think I will, given what I pulled for a FM 10 years ago (1:54), I will beat predictions by 10 seconds per 500m.

I will have overcome the normal decline with age (of four seconds per 500m per decade) entirely and then improved six seconds per 500m.

At 60, I will pull a FM _12_ seconds per 500m faster than any other 60s lwt in the history of the sport.

16 _minutes_ faster.

That means that, because of the training regimen I followed, which wasn't the usual one at all, over the last decade, and for the entire decade, year after year, I have improved a steady one second per 500m a year more than those who followed traditional training programs for rowing, which just focus on fitness.

I worked on technique.

My fitness was already maximal. It couldn't be improved.

Sure, it takes a long time to do something significant.

Progress is slow.

ranger

[ranger]

Rocket Roy just rowed 30min, 1:52 @ 26 spm (9.7 SPI).

That has nothing to do with rowing well.

Roy is just working on his fitness.

Problem is:

If you row badly when you work on your fitness, you just train yourself to be bad.

Not a very good result.

ranger

[lancs]

Two questions Prof to which I don't expect an honest answer, but here goes anyway:

1. How many hours of your life have you wasted on here today?
2. How much alcohol have you consumed today?

[ranger]

How many hours of your life have you wasted on here today?

Not sure what you are trying to get at.

I don't think that ideas related to training for rowing are a waste of time at all.

Do you?

I think the whole business is fascinating, given that I row hard for 2-3 hours a day, both OTErg and OTW.

I am on vacation.

Soon, I will be retired.

My children are grown and live on their own.

My wife is in town shopping and sightseeing.

Sure, I could go take a swim, go for a sail, go for a paddle, read a book, watch TV or a movie, take a nap, etc., but I do all of those things from day to day, too.

So what's your point?

Social networking is fun.

Zillions of folks do it now--a lot.

Or didn't you notice?

Facebook has just been valued at, what?, 65 billion?

Big bucks.

ranger

[ranger]

Hey, after just three more semesters of teaching, I'll be retired.

Then, I won't have to work at all.

I'll just be at home, waiting for checks to arrive--royalties, pensions, annuities, social security, etc.--like Mike VB, Dennis Hastings, Roy Brook, etc.

I won't have _anything_ I have to do--just like them.

I can "waste" _all_ of my time.

_All_ of my time will be "free."

ranger

[Citroen]

Moderator alert!

Check the following thread for trolling:

"Beginners? 500m Split, Damper & Leg Force Relationship"

Bob S.

Shot that one earlier. I think Ranger may be due for a ban for misquoting when PaulH gets back from his family vacation.

[ranger]

BTW, I've never seen another 1x in Door County--ever.

I have been coming here in the summer for 57 years.

I don't think there _are_ any other 1x's in Door County.

There _certainly_ aren't any larger boats--4s, 8s, etc.

When I run into people here, as I am putting in or taking out, they ask me why I have such a strange kayak.

Looks fragile, tipsy, too long, hard to turn, difficult to master, not good in waves and bad weather, hard to store and carry, etc.

Not very practical.



ranger

[chgoss]

Rocket Roy just rowed 30min, 1:52 @ 26 spm (9.7 SPI).
That has nothing to do with rowing well. Roy is just working on his fitness. Problem is: If you row badly when you work on your fitness, you just train yourself to be bad. Not a very good result. ranger

Actually, that is an outstanding result. Using pauls law it predicts a sub 6:50. No taper for it, 26SPM, only a couple month's after starting back up erging? Extremely fast.. Sub 6:40 looking good for Roy. All that high caliber cycling builds a tremendous base.

There's a good lesson there Rich, thinking that the only way to train yourself to go a certain average pace is to only do that pace with a steady diet of intervals just doesnt work.

I know, your FM at 1:48 will show everyone... indeed.. delighted with your training..

[ranger]

Rocket Roy just rowed 30min, 1:52 @ 26 spm (9.7 SPI).
That has nothing to do with rowing well. Roy is just working on his fitness. Problem is: If you row badly when you work on your fitness, you just train yourself to be bad. Not a very good result. ranger

Actually, that is an outstanding result. Using pauls law it predicts a sub 6:50. No taper for it, 26SPM, only a couple month's after starting back up erging? Extremely fast.. Sub 6:40 looking good for Roy. All that high caliber cycling builds a tremendous base.

There's a good lesson there Rich, thinking that the only way to train yourself to go a certain average pace is to only do that pace with a steady diet of intervals just doesnt work.

I know, your FM at 1:48 will show everyone... indeed.. delighted with your training..

Sure, I am delighted with my training.

But I am also tired of a rowing community that is obviously handing out bad advice.

Veterans who follow traditional plans for rowing just get worse and worse--precipitously.

Four seconds per 500m per decade.

That's a (needless) disaster.

Why?

No veterans row well.

So, to a large extent, they are slow for technical reasons, not because of their fitness.

On the contrary, as with Roy, the fitness of many veteran ergers is _very_ good.

So, following a training plan that just works on fitness is a waste of time.

Training is an opportunity to get better.

A training plan that just makes you worse and worse is not a 'training" plan at all.

It is just bad advice that makes no gesture at all at addressing your needs and desires.

ranger

[ranger]

Actually, that is an outstanding result. Using pauls law it predicts a sub 6:50. No taper for it, 26SPM, only a couple month's after starting back up erging? Extremely fast.. Sub 6:40 looking good for Roy. All that high caliber cycling builds a tremendous base.

30min is done at 2K + 7, if it's a trial.

So, to be better than he was five years ago (6:34), Roy would have to pull 1:45 for 30min.

It would be great to see him do it.

I wish him luck.

But 1:52 and 1:45 for 30min are still a bit apart in terms of technique, fitness, etc.

It will be fun to see how Roy chooses to train in order to bridge that gap.

You know what I have chosen to do for training.

My target this year for 30min is 1:41.

ranger

[chgoss]

Here's the thing Rich, why do you keep comparing peoples actual results, with your targets? That's not valid, right?