Ranger's training thread

[snowleopard]

I suspect that if he did 5K at 1:35 OTErg

Given that you can't do 5K @ 1:48 I think that's unlikely.

Ice and lemon?

[ranger]

Mike VB does 1:52 for 1K OTW.

Mike VB does 1:37 for 1K OTErg.

Difference?

15 seconds per 500m.

ranger

[ranger]

Given that I now pull 8 SPI OTW, too, in all probability, if I end up pulling 1:34/6:16 for 2K OTErg, I will pull at least 1:31 for 1K OTErg.

Therefore, at 15 seconds per 500m over erg times, I will pull 1:46 for 1K OTW.

At 8 SPI, 1:46 is 37 spm.

It will be interesting to see what I do in these 1K trial on Europe lake.

The question is:

When I get to the top of my ratings, will I be able to do 37 spm for 120 strokes?

If so, I'll pull 1:46/3:32.

ranger

[ranger]

You must be really good to do a FM at 1.48.

I just did only a 30 min piece at 1.52.2 average and...26 spm and it nearly killed me. OK it was strapless but even so.

I think the 10 MPS business is indeed good to get your stroke flowing at higher ratings, etc.

Rowing at 10 MPS works on efficiency, especially recoveries.

But it is only optimal to get your stroke flowing efficiently at higher ratings if you have a strong stroke to use in the first place.

Developing a strong stroke is best done by rowing a lot at low rates and high stroking powers over long distances (e.g., a FM, 1:48 @ 23 spm).

My stroke really flows now at 26 spm, too, but at 12-13 SPI, not 9.5 SPI.

At 26 spm, 13 SPI is 1:41, not 1:52.

Unless you have one already, you can never _develop_ a strong stroke by rowing at 10 MPS over long distances.

In rowing, work on efficiency is quite a bit different from work on effectiveness.

Work on efficiency focusses on recoveries.

Work of effectiveness focusses on drives.

ranger

[snowleopard]

When I get to the top of my ratings, will I be able to do 37 spm for 120 strokes?

Front crawl? Bit of a thrash but given your lack of co-ordination, on the money I would say.

[ranger]

There have been countless things that were significant and that were done selflessly.

Naw.

Don't believe it for a minute.

Most significant accomplishment is just self-expression.

And what isn't self-expression is self-interested.

Given a Christian context, in the West, much of the apparently selfless behavior historically was done to save your soul.

That's the most selfish thing imaginable.

If you _lost_/_gave up_ your soul to save some else, now that would be something else entirely.

But no one did that.

Piety is just selfishness in rags.

ranger

[ranger]

If you work hard and do something significant, I don't think there is any reason at all not to say so.

Why not call a spade a spade?

Why lie?

Sorry.

But if I meet all of my distance targets and pull a lwt 6:16 2K at 60, in this sport, it will be a pretty significant affair.

It will absolutely (gobsmackingly) blow the hell out of all current standards in senior and veteran erging from 40-70 years old.

ranger

[ranger]

A 6:16 2K OTErg is just a tick off the 30s lwt American record by this guy:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... DA&dur=932

And, give or take a bit, it is rowing just about as good as this 38-year-old Olympian, the best rower, both OTErg and OTW, of our time:




ranger

[bellboy]

A 6:16 2K OTErg is just a tick off the 30s lwt American record by this guy:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... DA&dur=932

And, give or take a bit, it is rowing just about as good as this 38-year-old Olympian, the best rower, both OTErg and OTW, of our time:

[img]http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5751 ... bbesen.jpg[/img
ranger

I take it the missus has pulled up the drawbridge again so you are resorting to a kleenexfest with EE? You are beyond tragic. You will never get anywhere near 6.16. We know it. You know it.The rabid raccoon in your garden knows it. My dog knows it. There are moments i feel sorry for you but they soon pass once you start posting the daily idiocy we have come to know and love. I just hope you're ultimate humiliation is a public one.(sadly we know it wont be because you are yellow)

[ranger]

You will never get anywhere near 6.16. We know it. You know it.The rabid raccoon in your garden knows it. My dog knows it.

We'll know my chances of pulling 6:16 for 2K long before I even start sharpening.

A FM @ 1:48 predicts a 6:16 2K.

A FM @ 1:46...

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

August 18, 2011: Now that my speed coach is calibrated, I'll start some verification tomorrow with a couple of low rate 1K trials--22 spm and 24 spm.

This is exciting news. According to your table, we will see a 4:04 or faster elapsed time when you do 24 spm for your 1K trial tomorrow. That's awesome.

[bellboy]

You will never get anywhere near 6.16. We know it. You know it.The rabid raccoon in your garden knows it. My dog knows it.

We'll know my chances of pulling 6:16 for 2K long before I even start sharpening.

A FM @ 1:48 predicts a 6:16 2K.

A FM @ 1:46...

ranger

NO_WE_WON'T. A fuckwit writing A FM @ 1.48 doesn't make it so. Please stop. I'm on the verge of organising an intervention for you. Quite why i am enabling you to pontificate on you're ridiculous fantasy tonight i dont know. Insomnia is a bitch.

[Brunsie]

There have been countless things that were significant and that were done selflessly.

Naw.

Don't believe it for a minute.

Most significant accomplishment is just self-expression.

And what isn't self-expression is self-interested.

Given a Christian context, in the West, much of the apparently selfless behavior historically was done to save your soul.

That's the most selfish thing imaginable.

If you _lost_/_gave up_ your soul to save some else, now that would be something else entirely.

But no one did that.

Piety is just selfishness in rags.

ranger

It is probably pretty obvious that I have become quite bitter towards you. I started following this mid December of last year and had high hope for what you are trying to accomplish. I intentionally altered how I learned to erg in hopes that your way was truly better and that I could just start that way. It turns out you have not lived up to one promise, while you explain your technique endlessly you have not provided a shred of evidence that it works, you expect me to just follow you on blind faith no matter how many times you fail to meet the expectations that you have set and so I am bitter toward you. If you ever deliver as promised I will be the first to apologize and congratulate you on your accomplishment, however I now believe it will never happen.

So, in light of that I will once again show how bitter I am toward you. How dare you tell me what to believe or not. I am going to believe WTF I want and you have no right telling me to not believe it.

I don't f'ing care about a Christian context or any other religious context. You may be correct about many people having the "save your soul" motivation but that is irrelevant, far more people have had significant achievement that had no such motivation and if you can't see it then your are as blind as your are stupid, arrogant and narcissistic.

I still maintain you have zero humility and as per your own statement "hard work and high standards enforce humility" and in light of that there is no way you have been putting in any hard work nor have you set any high standards because if you had you would have at least an ounce of humility.

Once again you are the MOST arrogant and narcissistic person I have ever come across.

[Brunsie]

If you work hard and do something significant, I don't think there is any reason at all not to say so.

Why not call a spade a spade?

Why lie?

Sorry.

But if I meet all of my distance targets and pull a lwt 6:16 2K at 60, in this sport, it will be a pretty significant affair.

It will absolutely (gobsmackingly) blow the hell out of all current standards in senior and veteran erging from 40-70 years old.

ranger

If you want to work hard and achieve something significant then I don't think anyone would belittle you for saying it, especially if asked. If you constantly ran around spouting off about it over an over it would still come across as a bit arrogant and narcissistic but at least you would have "earned" the right to say it. Never have I suggested you should lie about your accomplishments.

You however claim to achieved something that would have a little bit of significance if you had actually done it however you have failed miserably at achieving it. Why don't you save your claims for when you actually achieve it. At this point I believe there is a higher likely hood that someone completely unknown to the erg'ing world will show up and "absolutely (gobsmackingly) blow the hell out of all current standards in senior and veteran erging from 40-70 years old" than there is any chance you will do it.

[Rocket Roy]

Ranger, seriously seem medical help immediately of the Physciatric kind. It may not be too late to save your sanity.

I won't be coming back to this thread anytime soon as it is all pure fantasy. Get help.