Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » July 2nd, 2011, 12:20 pm

ranger wrote: If you botch your footwork, you botch everything.
Only in Rangerland. How is footwork related to anchor hauling?

In the real world, if you botch your weight control then you'll botch your anchor hauling race and only get a 7:02.3. Footwork has precisely the square root of fuck all to do with it.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » July 2nd, 2011, 12:46 pm

Footwork??? Remember we have seen video of your erging and how you never snapped your spine i will never know. The only relation your feet had to you in those races was the fact that they were attatched to your person by skin and bone.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Bob S. » July 2nd, 2011, 2:25 pm

Citroen wrote:
Only in Rangerland. How is footwork related to anchor hauling?
If you don't have your feet well braced, you are likely to end up in the water with the anchor.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by chgoss » July 2nd, 2011, 4:09 pm

ranger wrote:
chgoss wrote:what metric are you using
There is only one metric in indoor rowing, 2K time for your age and weight, by season.
So you figure that your 6:28 LW 2k at 52 is the best (age adjusted) 2k ever in the 40-70 LW category, making you the best erger of all time? That's your claim.


- analyzing the Male, LW, 40-70 world records
- using an average decline in pace of 1.7 seconds per year (Cookes time minus Auer's time divided by 30 years)
- displaying selected erg times compared against what would be expected when you extrapolate Auers time by 1.7 seconds per year.

Shows that Brian Bailey actually has the best time with respect to the average expected decline, right? Siebach is next and your 6:28 LW at 52 is third.

........................................variation
06:17.4 Matthias Auer(40)..... 00:00:00
06:25.1 Paul Siebach(50)...... - 00:09.3
06:28.0 Rich Cureton(52)......- 00:09.8
06:38.1 Roy Brook(55).........- 00:04.8
06:42.5 Brian Bailey(61).......- 00:10.6
07:01.5 Edwin Alderman(65)..- 00:01.8
07:08.1 Arnold Cooke(70)..... 00:00.00
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Tinpusher » July 2nd, 2011, 4:37 pm

ranger wrote:This means that I can do a FM @ 1:48 in what amounts to a 5-to-1 ratio.

:o :shock:

21 spm

If I can hold a higher rate, I'll go (proportionally) faster.
Not a snowball's chance in hell. :roll: Since you used the present tense, perhaps the time is finally here for you to get it done? We can hardly wait for the IND V FM at 1:48.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » July 2nd, 2011, 5:27 pm

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Brilliant sun this morning.
I suggest you stick yo posting photos to a photo forum. You composition is not very good. The exposure needs to be correct and the highlights are all blown out. The photos do a ppor job of illustrating the intent.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Bob S. » July 2nd, 2011, 5:38 pm

Tinpusher wrote:
ranger wrote:This means that I can do a FM @ 1:48 in what amounts to a 5-to-1 ratio.

:o :shock:

21 spm

If I can hold a higher rate, I'll go (proportionally) faster.
Not a snowball's chance in hell. :roll: Since you used the present tense, perhaps the time is finally here for you to get it done? We can hardly wait for the IND V FM at 1:48.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by chgoss » July 2nd, 2011, 7:33 pm

chgoss wrote:
ranger wrote:
chgoss wrote:what metric are you using
There is only one metric in indoor rowing, 2K time for your age and weight, by season.
So you figure that your 6:28 LW 2k at 52 is the best (age adjusted) 2k ever in the 40-70 LW category, making you the best erger of all time? That's your claim.


- analyzing the Male, LW, 40-70 world records
- using an average decline in pace of 1.7 seconds per year (Cookes time minus Auer's time divided by 30 years)
- displaying selected erg times compared against what would be expected when you extrapolate Auers time by 1.7 seconds per year.

Shows that Brian Bailey actually has the best time with respect to the average expected decline, right? Siebach is next and your 6:28 LW at 52 is third.

........................................variation
06:17.4 Matthias Auer(40)..... 00:00:00
06:25.1 Paul Siebach(50)...... - 00:09.3
06:28.0 Rich Cureton(52)......- 00:09.8
06:38.1 Roy Brook(55).........- 00:04.8 <also- Roy did a 6:34.7 at 55, variation of -8.2>
06:42.5 Brian Bailey(61).......- 00:10.6
07:01.5 Edwin Alderman(65)..- 00:01.8
07:08.1 Arnold Cooke(70)..... 00:00.00
Actually, rich is second overall to brian bailey, 9.8>9.3 beats Siebach. and, to give rich more ammo :roll: last years 1:41.4 at 59 is a variation of -10.3.

Rich currently holds no world records, so there's that for his detractors :D

Personally, I just dont like the lying. What's the point?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » July 3rd, 2011, 6:06 am

aharmer wrote:And when you pull your 6:16 at 63-64 years old the erg world will take notice and start seeking your advice. Until then you're an Internet troll. I claim to pull 5:40, maybe the rowing publications should start asking me to write articles. Or maybe they should tell me to shut the hell up until I accomplish what I claim to be capable of.
No reason to be so theatrical.

I have been training for eight years to improve my technique so that I can row a dozen seconds or so faster that I have already rowed several times--as a total novice, rowing badly at max drag.

I have already pulled 6:27.5.

So, sure.

If you had already pulled 5:51.5 several times--as a total novice, rowing badly at max drag--and had been working as hard as you could for eight years to improve your technique, I don't think 5:40 would be an unreasonable goal at all.

Heck, even without improving at all, you would be one of the best rowers in the world.

That's a long way from an internet troll.

For the last few years, I have been rowing right at WR pace for my age and weight--at max drag, still working on technique, without even preparing for my races.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.), and I am now preparing to race.

At 13 SPI, I only have to rate 32 spm to pull 1:34/6:16 for 2K.

Given that I am lightweight, that's a _very_ modest rate for a 2K.

So, I think my chances of pulling 1:34/6:16 for 2K are now _very_ good.

The major problem for older rowers is lack of stroking power.

But that's just what I have worked so hard to improve.

Most 60s lwts pull 9 SPI, not 13 SPI.

You're never going _anywhere_ very fast pulling 9 SPI.

To pull 1:34/6:16 for 2K at 9 SPI, you have to rate 47 spm.

Sure, that's not likely--for anyone.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » July 3rd, 2011, 6:17 am

Training is always forward looking.

If you just report times that you have already done, what is there to train for?

Hopefully, goals always exceed present accomplishments.

Sure, if you are training to improve, you need to explain how, and this how must be feasible.

You _can't_ improve your fitness if it is already maximal and, given that you are aging, declining.

But technique is another matter, entirely, especially if you have done _very_ well rowing badly.

Even in erging, you can get as much as 10 seconds per 500m, I think, from improving your tecchnique.

The rowing stroke is a pretty magical affair when you get it right.

If your technique is bad, you can do a whole lot of grunting and groaning and go nowhere fast at all.

If your technique is good, you can do a whole lot of effortless work.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » July 3rd, 2011, 6:33 am

The problem with the other good veteran rowers is that their 2K times are declining precipitously but they continue to train to try to improve their fitness, when their fitness is already maximal and declining.

That makes no sense at all.

All of the major training programs for rowing just focus on fitness.

Technique isn't even mentioned.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by chgoss » July 3rd, 2011, 9:33 am

ranger wrote:If you just report times that you have already done, what is there to train for?
well, if you report times that you haven't done, then you arent being honest. right?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » July 3rd, 2011, 12:29 pm

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Beautiful day here in Door County, WI, although not a good day for me.

Don't know the cause, other than overtraining, I suppose, but my right side caved in today.

Intercostal problem.

Painful stuff.

I'll just have to take it easy for a few days to let it heal.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Flipper21 » July 3rd, 2011, 1:31 pm

Holy Cow C2

are you serious?

how can you let such a bufoon as ranger continually posts INSIGNIFICANT RESULTS?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Gus » July 3rd, 2011, 1:53 pm

ranger wrote:
Don't know the cause, other than overtraining, I suppose, but my right side caved in today.

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ranger...the master of hyperbole..."caved in."

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