Ranger's training thread

[ben990]

6:41 to 7:02 in one year, how many seconds is that? Equal preparation and fitness, remember?

I didn't get my weight right, and I only raced that once.

My poor showing at BIRC 2010 wasn't a matter of preparation or fitness at all.

I didn't have any energy.

So, I just had to paddle it in.

As I mentioned, in terms of fitness and technique, I was ready to pull sub-6:30, if I had had some energy.

Even so, I didn't do any race preparation.

It will quite a different show this winter, I think.

I will be prepared to race, and I will race six or seven times, as both a heavyweight and lightweight.

ranger

Naw.

Your times have already dropped to 7:03, at 60.

The decline is severe.

Yikes, you should be better than that. Maybe if you tried 15K OTE and then 15K OTW, working with 1:48 and/or 13 SPI you would get better.

And naw, you will never race again, or post anything meaningful. It is just the way you are.

[NavigationHazard]

Paul [Siebach] has only been a veteran for a couple of years.

His times have already dropped to 6:34.7, at 52.

The decline is severe.

6:25 at 50.

6:31 at 51.

10 seconds in two years?

I didn't race until I was 51.

I didn't race as a lightweight until I was 52.

At just shy of 53, I pulled 6:28.

It's not very likely that Paul will get back to that.

If Paul's 2K is declining by five seconds a year, the prediction for this year would be in and around 6:40.

The prediction for when he is 60 would be 7:15.

ranger

Muppet. You specifically cited "males 40-70":

Yes, sure.

I meant males, 40-70.

ranger

Siebach's record dwarfs yours. Dwarfs mine, too.

[aharmer]

My kids have a neighborhood friend who is, unfortunately, almost impossible to be around even as a 9 year old. He absolutely refuses to admit he is wrong about anything. As children learn social skills they typically grow out of this type of behavior by their teens. It's really interesting to see a 60 year old displaying the maturity and social skills of a 9 year old.

Any decision on the lock? As much as I enjoy reading this train wreck I'm in the camp that believes it would be in everybody's best interest if it went away until an IND_V FM was posted.

[chgoss]

Over the last ten years, I have the best record as a veteran rower--bar none--

let me try this another way, what metric are you using to say that you are the best? Fastest time?

[Citroen]

Over the last ten years, I have the best record as a veteran rower--bar none--

let me try this another way, what metric are you using to say that you are the best? Fastest time?

In Rangerland you don't need metrics. You simply declare yourself to be "rowing well at 16.5SPI (or some such number)" and the personal best and/or World record time is automagically assigned to you. No rowing required, no racing required.

[snowleopard]

Over the last ten years, I have the best record as a veteran rower--bar none--

let me try this another way, what metric are you using to say that you are the best? Fastest time?

In Rangerland you don't need metrics. You simply declare yourself to be "rowing well at 16.5SPI (or some such number)" and the personal best and/or World record time is automagically assigned to you. No rowing required, no racing required.

So true. ranger has not recorded a single piece (at any weight) that fits his definition of rowing well, i.e., 13 spi (we can ignore hwt rows since he cannot ever row a set piece at his prescriptive 16 spi).

By his definition ANY lwt can row well since all his "rowing well" to date is done with breaks. Row a bit at 13 spi, catch your breath, row a bit more. It's utterly meaningless until ranger ranks a set piece at 13 spi, which he simply cannot do.

[Gus]

Paul,

I say lock this thread as it's really not about "Ranger's training." There's really nothing of substance about his training no matter how many times he claims there is.

My suggestion is to start a new thread called "Ranger's Thread" and put it in the proper category. Definitely something other than the "Training" category. Perhaps General? Allow ranger to post there but keep him out of all other threads just like you have been doing. That way he doesn't end up polluting other threads with the same nonsense he's been writing about for years. It's my concern that if you don't give ranger a thread in which to post his garbage, he ends up doing it everywhere. Also, by not putting it in the Training category, you don't have as much of a worry that the newbies will think he's somebody to listen to for advice. Though I think most figure it out pretty quickly. Keeping a thread going satisfies those who enjoy the interaction with ranger and the so-called entertainment value of the exchange.

[Carl Watts]

As above we don't want him spewing up his rubbish all over this forum, there is usefull input from others here who know how to row and can help newbies with their training and provide positive encouragment and support to reach their realistic goals.

Clearly he needs to vent somewhere and at least we can decide if we want to look at this thread or not. By all means take it out of "Training" and put it in the "Train-wreck" section instead.

There really is no way to stop him at the end of the day, even a ban and he can still start another profile.

It's just trash talk that if everyone stopped replying to, then it would stop on it's own. Nobody takes you seriously if you cannot rank a single piece in over seven years to support your wild claims.

[ranger]

Brilliant sun this morning.

Calm waters.

Could be a hot one in many parts of the country.

Only 65 degrees F. here, though.

Wonderful stuff.

The big lake is an icebox, keeping everything comfortable.

My two sons, one with a girl friend, arrived last night. My brother and his wife arrive tomorrow.

Looks like a _beautiful_ 4th of July weekend.

Here at Gills Rock, the fireworks are done over the water, with the lights of dozens of boats in the background out in the bay--the smell of brats and beer filling the air from the blither of grills and coolers.

12K this morning OTErg.

Out on the water for something similar after breakfast.

BTW, I am indeed pulling at 13 SPI now in my erging.

Rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

This means that I can do a FM @ 1:48 in what amounts to a 5-to-1 ratio.



21 spm

If I can hold a higher rate, I'll go (proportionally) faster.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW.

Happy Birthday, America.

For all your warts, you're still not a bad place to hang a hat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupsPg5H6aE

ranger

[ranger]

10K out on a _very_ calm Lake Michigan in my Fluid, after 12K OTErg.



ranger

[ranger]

what metric are you using

There is only one metric in indoor rowing, 2K time for your age and weight, by season.

2K is the only race.

The other distances are just training pieces for the 2K.

They are 2K predictors.

ranger

[whp4]

what metric are you using

There is only one metric in indoor rowing, 2K time for your age group, gender, and weight class, by season.

Fixed.

[ranger]

there is usefull input from others here who know how to row

If "others" here "know how to row," why are they so slow?

As I have mentioned, I am probably the most successful veteran male rower of the last decade, even though, for most of these years, I didn't prepare for my races. I was fastest for my age and weight (50s/55s lwts) five out of the nine years I have been rowing, with sub-6:30 rows as a heavyweight two of the other years.

Much of what goes into "rowing well," both mechanically and physiologically, I am afraid, is bathed in mystery.

Those who say that they "know how to row," just repeat agreed upon platitudes.

It isn't clear at all that what they say is best.

For instance, I am astounded to see that Larry Gluckman, in his essay on erging in _Rowing Faster_, makes no reference whatsoever to footwork.

But in my experience, most of rowing is controlled by your footwork.

Very odd.

Very odd.

I suppose that Gluckman must feel that, if you get other things right, your footwork takes care of itself.

I think that this is nonsense.

In a boat, your footwork is varied and crucial at all points--catch, drive, finish, recovery.

If you botch your footwork, you botch everything.

ranger

[aharmer]

And when you pull your 6:16 at 63-64 years old the erg world will take notice and start seeking your advice. Until then you're an Internet troll. I claim to pull 5:40, maybe the rowing publications should start asking me to write articles. Or maybe they should tell me to shut the hell up until I accomplish what I claim to be capable of.