Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 30th, 2011, 5:30 am

BTW, if Roy wants a good training plan, one that is not focussed on fitness but on improving his rowing, I might suggest this.

Row all of your meters at 13 SPI.

That is, always take good strokes.

Doesn't matter how you do them.

Put in 20K a day.

Rotate days rowing at 21 spm, 24 spm, and 27 spm (1:48, 1:44, 1:40).

Work on technique to try to make the rowing easier and easier.

These points of technique might be important to consider:
ranger wrote:
(1) Get good length. Get all the way to shins vertical at the catch. The front of your seat should be only six inches from front stops when you fire off with your legs.

(2) Keep your hips/back forward at a good angle when you fire off with your legs. Hold that angle until your legs are done. At this point, the handle should be over your feet.

(3) Get your weight securely up on the balls of your feet at the catch, driving with your quads. Do _not_ take the catch with your heels and hams.

(4) Relax your shoulders at the catch.

(5) Relax your core at the catch.

(6) After about .1 seconds set your heels and stand up on the footplate, flattening your legs out with your hams. As in (2), at this point, the handle should be over your feet.

(7) Open your hips and swing your back with your core.

(8) While you are swinging your back, roll back up onto the balls of your feet and drive down on the footplate with the front of your foot using your calves.

(9) Keep your shoulders relaxed even though you have engaged your core, back, and calves.

(10) Pull through with your arms into your chest.

(11) Keep your elbows level as you pull the handle into your chest.

(11) Get a substantial lean with your back at the finish.

(12) Keep in good contact with the footplate at the finish. Point your toes and push the footplate away from you by digging in with your toes.

(13) Recover your arms as quickly as they finish.

(14) When you recover your arms, sit up tall and push the handle down toward your knees.

(15) Keep your knees flat on the rail until the handle sweeps past them.

(16) Recover your back as quick and fully as you did when you engaged it in the drive, returning to shins vertical (Prep Position). As in (2) and (6), at this point the handle should be over your feet, legs flat on the rail.

(17) The movements from (1) to (16) should be _very_ fast, 3/8 of the stroke cycle, at the most. If you count "And-ONE-and-TWO-and-THREE-and-FOUR" as you do the stroke cycle as a whole, execute the movements from (1) to (16) in the first three pulses of this counting/beating: "And-ONE-and."

(18) Set you heels firmly when as you get into prep position.

(19) Break your knees and move the seat slowly toward the catch.

(20) As you do this, roll your weight slowly from your heels to the balls of your feet.

If technique in rowing is worth about 10 seconds per 500m, then as an approximation, each of these 20 technical points, I think, miight be worth a couple of seconds over 2K (.5 seconds per 500m).

All twenty of these technical points, taken together and mastered completely, are worth forty seconds over 2K (10 seconds per 500m).

When you get on the erg, your task in training is to master these things.

Each time you row, work on one of these twenty things, or some subset of these twenty things, that you know you do poorly, until you have mastered them all.

Put in 20K a session.

If you are fit, master all of these technical aspects of rowing, and are a big lightweight (e.g., 6', 165 lbs., right at the weight limit), you should pull a nice 1:43 @ 25 spm (13 SPI), just naturally.

If you are fit, master all of these technical aspects of rowing, and are a big heavyweight (e.g., 6'5", 220 lbs.), you should pull a nice 1:36 @ 25 spm (16 SPI), just naturally.

You are now one of the best rowers in the world.

ranger
Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 30th, 2011, 6:09 am

snowleopard wrote: You haven't done anything.
??

Not sure what you mean by that.

I already have a sub-6:30 2K @ 12 SPI--without even preparing for it.

Rowing well at low drag, fully prepared, I'll now pull 6:16 @ 12.5 SPI (1:34 @ 34 spm).

I think I might also have the best overall record of any veteran rower, 40 to 70, over the last nine years (the years that I have been rowing), even though, for most of those years, I haven't even been preparing to race.

I have the best 2K for my age and weight (50s/55s lwts) in five of nine of those years, with sub-6:30 rows as a hwt in two other years. I have three WR rows and have won all of the major championships.

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Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by JimR » June 30th, 2011, 6:20 am

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote: You haven't done anything.
??

Not sure what you mean by that.

I already have a sub-6:30 2K @ 12 SPI--without even preparing for it.

Rowing well at low drag, fully prepared, I'll now pull 6:16 @ 12.5 SPI (1:34 @ 34 spm).

I think I might also have the best overall record of any veteran rower, 40 to 70, over the last nine years (the years that I have been rowing), even though, for most of those years, I haven't even been preparing to race.

I have the best 2K for my age and weight (50s/55s lwts) in five of nine of those years, with sub-6:30 rows as a hwt in two other years. I have three WR rows and have won all of the major championships.

ranger
If you had done this 6:30 2K you keep bringing up in the last few months then it might support your claim you will be able to erg faster yet. You seem to think that because you did it once you can do it again ... it seems not ... see 2009, 2010 and the 2011 7:02 2K incident.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 30th, 2011, 6:21 am

Wow.

Pretty unusual morning out there on the big lake.

Time to get going in my Fluid.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » June 30th, 2011, 6:30 am

ranger wrote:
Fred wrote:I call your bluff, I believe you are not being truthful about your daily volume
Fred--

Give it up, dude. You were wrong about the posting times, and don't know WTF more generally.
You must be one of the most arrogant c*nts ever put on gods’ earth.

You come on here day after day trolling total bollocks about your fantasy training – making unsubstantiated claim after claim and decrying anybody who has the audacity to question you.

You’re a sad old wanker who needs a really good smack in the mouth because that’s the only language you’re ever going to listen to.

Why don’t you just shut the fuck up until you have some verifiable performances to report?
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500m 01:33.5 Jun 2010 - 2K 06:59.5 Nov 2009 - 5K 19:08.4 Jan 2011

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » June 30th, 2011, 6:51 am

KevJGK wrote:
ranger wrote:
Fred wrote:I call your bluff, I believe you are not being truthful about your daily volume
Fred--

Give it up, dude. You were wrong about the posting times, and don't know WTF more generally.
... [snipped a bucket of vitriol] ...
Bloody hell Kev, you must have got out of the wrong side of bed today. I've not seen anything like that from you before. That said, what you've written is entirely true.

Ranger is 100% washed up. He will NEVER post any time, he will NEVER post another video, he will NEVER row another race.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » June 30th, 2011, 8:51 am

Nice 10K OTW, after 15K OTErg.

The big lake like glass.

At my best, I'm doing 2:10 @ 22 spm.

That's entirely adequate, I think.

7.3 SPI

Although 2:10 @ 20 spm (8 SPI) would be ideal.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » June 30th, 2011, 9:53 am

It's fun when the old douchebag is caught in a lie. Please explain how you put in 15k in less than 40 minutes this morning. What a tool, why in the world would you have to come on here and lie about your distance this morning. Why, because you're a pathological liar, that's why. I happen to know another PL and the symptoms are very clear. The guy I know happens to be in treatment and has acknowledged his affliction, I guess he's just a few steps ahead of you.

Interesting that you're giving Roy suggestions for training. At WIRC 2012 Roy will sit on an erg and pull his best. It may be a WR, it may not be. You will register for WIRC 2012, may or may not show up. If you do show up the odds of you sitting on an erg is 50/50 at best. If you do sit on the erg and race you will not beat Roy. If you would like to wager any amount of money on this I'm game. Obviously the money will need to be sent to a third party before the race because you're a welshing sack of shit. Come on big shot, you can beat Roy by 30 seconds, why not supplement that retirement income?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Fred » June 30th, 2011, 10:34 am

I give up, Rich shows absolutely no desire to be honest in anything, confronting him with his dishonesty makes no difference to him at all. Fred is retired.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Mike Caviston » June 30th, 2011, 10:43 am

ranger wrote:Interestingly, Mike C. jumped on this thread a while ago and ridiculed this training plan even though his 2K has fallen off by 18 seconds during his 40s, from 6:18 to 6:36.
You’d like to make it sound as if I’m picking on you for no reason, rather than responding to your reference to my 2K performances. To summarize, with the appropriate frames of reference:
MC – Achieves peak performance after five years of focused training. Ages 10 years, and reduces erg volume considerably, from 10-11 to 3-4 weekly sessions, sometimes not hitting 20K in a week. 2K drops from 6:18 to 6:36.
Ranger – Achieves peak performance as a beginner, with no focused training and no technical proficiency. Ages 10 years, but claims to erg at least 20K a day and millions of meters per year. 2K drops from 6:28 to 7:02 – truly stupendous results.
Talk about comparing apples to oranges.
I started to gain weight in my 40s, when achilles tendon problems made it hard for me to run as much as I used to.
So what about swimming, biking, canoeing, or even stair stepping? When you were doing your miraculous 25mph bike rides on your pedal-less bicycle and got a flat tire and ran back carrying your bike, wasn’t that kind of hard on your Achilles tendon?
What kind of "daily volume" do you think it takes for a person my size to row four seconds under the 50s lwt WR in their first race at 51?
Your size during that first race was 195lbs, tubby, so the “daily volume” was not very large. Your numbers never add up. Poor math skills? Fantasy? Lies?
Fred wrote:I give up, Rich shows absolutely no desire to be honest in anything, confronting him with his dishonesty makes no difference to him at all.
Truer words were never spoken. Ranger will continue to talk about his ever-receding future performances as long as he continues to get the attention he craves. He will never provide evidence (his camera can take pictures of landscapes or single erg strokes, but lacks the capacity to capture the details of an entire workout). He will never again compete either OTW or at a championship indoor race.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by JimR » June 30th, 2011, 12:13 pm

Mike Caviston wrote:
ranger wrote:Interestingly, Mike C. jumped on this thread a while ago and ridiculed this training plan even though his 2K has fallen off by 18 seconds during his 40s, from 6:18 to 6:36.
You’d like to make it sound as if I’m picking on you for no reason ...
It seems that every post ranger makes has some detail or fact missing that would result in a completely different interpretation if it were included. Because it happens even when someone asks a follow-up question or highlights the missing detail(s) I assume it is intention.

Oddly, I would think someone in the teaching profession would be the exact opposite ... providing all the information so the reader is clear on the message being sent. By way of example ... two of my favirote "ranger'isms" ...

> today I did 20K OTErg working with ...

> I have two houses worth a million dollars ...

I'm starting to wonder what character flaw I must have to find ranger interesting enough to visit this thread ... perhaps I need a new hobby.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Mike Caviston » June 30th, 2011, 12:30 pm

JimR wrote:I'm starting to wonder what character flaw I must have to find ranger interesting enough to visit this thread ... perhaps I need a new hobby.
I’ve accepted that Ranger’s behavior will never change, and there will never be a shortage of people ready to respond. The trick is not to become consumed yourself. Let him babble on. I might respond again next month, or next year, or never.

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