Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

First legs, then body swing, then arms is something they tell absolute beginners. After all these years OTW you should be beyond that. "Separated levers" is complete nonsense.

Perhaps, if you are _very_ slow and have _very_ long legs.

But if you have short legs and are fast, it is _much_ better to separate your levers.

If you are short, you get more leveraging length if the overlap between the levers is slight.

I am not Pertti Karpinnen.

I am just a little guy.

ranger

[ranger]

BTW, you are not even close to #12. You are not applying any pressure on the footboard at the finish. It is obvious by looking at the straps over your feet.

True, but it might be nothing I can fix. I have broken my ankles zillions of times and therefore have a hard time pointing my toes smoothly. Residual damage from a long life.

I now get (8) done _very_ well, though, and that is _much_ more important in terms of creating power in the drive with your calves by pointing your toes.

Many people just rock from the balls of their feet to their heels during the drive.

That's a disaster.

He heels don't get firmly planted until the arm pull.

The hams and gluts are engaged at the wrong angle with respect to contact at the footplate and with less secure leverage.

The core/back is engaged at the wrong angle with respect to contact at the footplate.

And the toes don't keep pressure on the footplate at the finish, as I struggle with, too.

ranger

[ranger]

Again, the burden is on those who pull 9 SPI and say that they have good technique, no?

The proof is in the pudding.

As a 60s lwt, you can't pull an easy 13 SPI at 120 df. getting 130 kg.F of peak force, as I am now, unless you have a _whole lot_ of things right.

ranger

[ausrwr]

First legs, then body swing, then arms is something they tell absolute beginners. After all these years OTW you should be beyond that. "Separated levers" is complete nonsense.

Perhaps, if you are _very_ slow and have _very_ long legs.

But if you have short legs and are fast, it is _much_ better to separate your levers.

If you are short, you get more leveraging length if the overlap between the levers is slight.

I am not Pertti Karpinnen.

I am just a little guy.

ranger

Be honest, you've never actually seen anyone row, have you?

[lancs]

Be honest...

That made me chuckle. This is Ranger you're talking to don't forget. The most prolific lying toe-rag in the history of C2 forums.

He probably tells Mrs Ranger the several hours each day he spends on the pc is work-related....

[NavigationHazard]

What you call the "crankcase" is NOT "30 inches" from the tops of your feet, just below your ankles. It's probably about 26" if measured horizontally, as it should be

No, it's 30 inches.

I measured it horizontally.

ranger

Here's an overhead shot of a steel rule against the front of the chainguard box, level with the floor, with the seat at frontstops. Note where 30" actually is. The fronts of your feet are NOT that far back.



Alternatively, please explain how the front tops of your feet, just below the ankles, can be further back than the backs of the heelcups are on the machine with no holes showing.

[nharrigan]

First legs, then body swing, then arms is something they tell absolute beginners. After all these years OTW you should be beyond that. "Separated levers" is complete nonsense.

Perhaps, if you are _very_ slow and have _very_ long legs.

But if you have short legs and are fast, it is _much_ better to separate your levers.

If you are short, you get more leveraging length if the overlap between the levers is slight.

I am not Pertti Karpinnen.

I am just a little guy.

ranger

LM4- Final from a couple of weeks ago. Very good technique on display, if you're interested in making a boat go fast. And a great finish.

http://fisa.feedroom.com/?fr_story=1957 ... d36b&rf=bm

[snowleopard]

if you're interested in making a boat go fast

ranger stroking Ebbesen. The stuff that dreams are made of.

[ranger]

He probably tells Mrs Ranger the several hours each day he spends on the pc is work-related....

I am on a 9-month contract.

I don't work in the summer--and am not paid.

So, why would I do work-related things on my pc--at all?

Next year is my last full 9-months of work.

2012-2013 is a sabbatical year.

Then I retire and won't have to work again at all.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

BTW, you are not even close to #12. You are not applying any pressure on the footboard at the finish. It is obvious by looking at the straps over your feet.

True, but it might be nothing I can fix. I have broken my ankles zillions of times and therefore have a hard time pointing my toes smoothly. Residual damage from a long life.

Your problem is not in your ankles. It is elsewhere.

[ranger]

LM4- Final from a couple of weeks ago. Very good technique on display, if you're interested in making a boat go fast. And a great finish.

http://fisa.feedroom.com/?fr_story=1957 ... d36b&rf=bm

Yea.

Great stuff.

I don't know, but to my eye those legs look pretty fast, too.

I would say those legs slam down when the handle is at their feet.

ranger

[ranger]

Your problem is not in your ankles. It is elsewhere.

No, at the finish, the problem is my ankles.

For you, well, the problem is everywhere--your arms, your core, your legs, your back, your...

Oh well.

Byron--

If you can show me an easy 13 SPI, I will believe you row well.

Otherwise, you are just a old windbag.

The proof is in the pudding.

ranger

[PaulH]

I don't know, but to my eye those legs look pretty fast, too.

I would say those legs slam down when the handle is at their feet.

Which just demonstrates how flawed your perception is.

[leadville]

Close enough.

Sure, I didn't say that I had it perfectly yet.

But I am very close.

ranger

No, looking at the video you're not even close. To be clear, I think that's a good thing, so if you're now doing item (2) as described you've got even worse.

No, it's not a good thing.

This is what it would look like if I got it exactly right.

This is what really makes a boat go--fast legs, with your hips and back held forward (at one o'clock or so), shoulders and core relaxed, until your legs are done, after taking the catch with your quads on the balls of your feet, driving straight back with your hams and gluts on your heels.



I keep working on it.

I am getting better.

It is not for nothing that as a little old guy I am getting 130 kg.F of peak force with my legs, just naturally.

That's a full 50% more peak force than I used to get with my legs rowing badly at max drag back in 2002-2003.

No, it's not my rowing that's getting worse.

It's what you think that's getting worse.

ranger

if THAT'S what you think "really makes a boat go fast" you are - as hard as this is to believe - even more ignorant than I thought.

you just keep rowing this way, rangerboy. if you can ever actually complete a whole entire 1k, you'll be so far behind the leaders they'll have showered by the time you get across the finish.

what a dumbass.

[leadville]

First legs, then body swing, then arms is something they tell absolute beginners. After all these years OTW you should be beyond that. "Separated levers" is complete nonsense.

Perhaps, if you are _very_ slow and have _very_ long legs.

But if you have short legs and are fast, it is _much_ better to separate your levers.

If you are short, you get more leveraging length if the overlap between the levers is slight.

I am not Pertti Karpinnen.

I am just a little guy.

ranger

No, it isn't better to 'separate your levers' if you are short. you moron.

I'm three inches shorter than you and strive to NOT scull anything like you suggest. and what the hell is "leveraging length".

christ each successive post is dumber than the last.