Ranger's training thread

[Byron Drachman]

How much mustard Byron? I'd wager too much would overwhelm it? Bearing in mind english mustard can strip paint off walls.

Hi Bellboy,
I just add a little mustard. It gives a nice zing to the topping. I am guessing a little worcestershire sauce wouldn't hurt. The topping is strongly flavored as is, so I agree you want to hold back on the mustard. I did a nice 20K OTW this morning. Rather unusual, but our hero said something that is correct. It was a nice morning in Michigan. You know the old saying: Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Byron

[nharrigan]

If two rowers are putzing along at the same rate, say, 24 spm, and exerting about the same effort, say 75% HRR, but one rower is pulling 12 MPS and the other 10 MPS, every four strokes the rower who is pulling 12 MPS will gain a boat length on the rower who is pulling 10 MPS.

If the race is 4000 strokes long, by the end, the rower who is pulling 12 MPS will be 1000 boat lengths ahead of the rower who is pulling 10 MPS.

Rowing is all about technique and stroking power.

ranger

12 meters per stroke at 24spm. Is that right? That's sub 7min 2k pace and would get you into the 1x final at worlds. Of course those guys are rowing at 36spm and the race is only 2k.

[ranger]

It is only peripherally aerobic, as Joe has just demonstrated.

ranger

Are you really this clueless? Or do you just like talking out your sphincter to get a rise out of everybody?

If you think different show us how fast and far you can go with a garrote around your neck nice and tight.

No need.

Joe Keating and I might well have the same aerobic capacity.

But the differences in our paces over the various distances might be 15 seconds per 500m.

ranger

[ranger]

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[ranger]

12 meters per stroke at 24spm.

OTErg, not OTW.

ranger

[ranger]

you can't even row 5K at 1:48 at any stroke rate.

I am doing my training from the top down, but when I get there, I'll do 5K, 1:39 @ 30 spm.

At "double the d, add 3," that's just a standard prediction of a FM @ 1:48, etc.

A FM is done at 5K + 9.

double-double-double the d

ranger

[snowleopard]

you can't even row 5K at 1:48 at any stroke rate.

I am doing my training from the top down, but when I get there, I'll do 5K, 1:39 @ 30 spm.

At "double the d, add 3," that's just a standard prediction of a FM @ 1:48, etc.

A FM is done at 5K + 9.

double-double-double the d

I see you've lost your own plot again.

You claim that your "steady state" rowing is 1:48 @ 24 spm. If you are indeed training to race longer distances first then most of your training will be steady state. The problem for you is you can't row even a continuous 5K at 1:48 [at any stroke rate} right now so 1:48 @ 24 spm is not your steady state.

You are, as usual, lying. But go ahead, row the first 2500m of your daily 10K of erging at 1:48 @ 24 spm and let's see the HR data. Oh, and dial it in and row to zero. None of this just row stuff.

[PaulH]

you can't even row 5K at 1:48 at any stroke rate.

I am doing my training from the top down, but when I get there, I'll do 5K, 1:39 @ 30 spm.

You say that like it contradicts what snowleopard said, but of course it doesn't, and his point remains.

[ranger]

OK. Row 1 x 2500m 1:48 @ 24 spm and post the HR data.

21K might be more interesting.

1:50 is the 60s hwt HM WR.

By 21K, I should get to steady state.

Half way home!

ranger

[ranger]

I got to 2:00 @ 27 spm OTW today.

That's 7.4 SPI, which for me is comparable to 1:40 @ 27 spm (13 SPI) OTErg.

Good stuff.

ranger

[bellboy]

How much mustard Byron? I'd wager too much would overwhelm it? Bearing in mind english mustard can strip paint off walls.

Hi Bellboy,
I just add a little mustard. It gives a nice zing to the topping. I am guessing a little worcestershire sauce wouldn't hurt. The topping is strongly flavored as is, so I agree you want to hold back on the mustard. I did a nice 20K OTW this morning. Rather unusual, but our hero said something that is correct. It was a nice morning in Michigan. You know the old saying: Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Byron

Thank you Byron, i shall give it a bash at the weekend. The sandwich i mean not the 20k!

[lancs]

Row perfectly (13 SPI for lightweights; 16 SPI for heavyweights) at 24 spm.

Just thought I'd update you all on how my training has been going. After (another) hiatus due to the birth of our 2nd child (Chloe Grace doing well thanks ) I'm just getting back into erging.

Imagine my astonishment when I realised that, as a hwt now, I row well. In fact I row perfectly.

This perfection of course is along the same lines as Prof's rowing well (13spi for him as a 84kg lwt), in that I see several strokes at 1:39/500m at 24spm but have to take a breather every so often to keep comfortable. This evening's 10k for example was completed at 1:57 @22spm but given the fact I saw the occasional 1:39 @24spm I'm assuming that by the Fall I'll row a 10k @ 1:39 pace. This seems entirely reasonable, no?

[mikvan52]

Row perfectly (13 SPI for lightweights; 16 SPI for heavyweights) at 24 spm.

Just thought I'd update you all on how my training has been going. After (another) hiatus due to the birth of our 2nd child (Chloe Grace doing well thanks ) I'm just getting back into erging.

Imagine my astonishment when I realised that, as a hwt now, I row well. In fact I row perfectly.

This perfection of course is along the same lines as Prof's rowing well (13spi for him as a 84kg lwt), in that I see several strokes at 1:39/500m at 24spm but have to take a breather every so often to keep comfortable. This evening's 10k for example was completed at 1:57 @22spm but given the fact I saw the occasional 1:39 @24spm I'm assuming that by the Fall I'll row a 10k @ 1:39 pace. This seems entirely reasonable, no?

Glad to see that becoming a father for a 2nd time has not compromised your sense of humor.
Saw some very sweet pix of your fam' on FB.. Many congrats to all..

BTW: Lancs... you are, indeed, perfect! => well beyond ranger's virtual perfect...

[lancs]

Saw some very sweet pix of your fam' on FB.. Many congrats to all..

Thanks Mike. Believe me they're both not sweet all of the time. Particularly at 5am, for example..

[ranger]

1:49 @ 22 spm (12 SPI) is UT2 for a 6:16 2K.

For me, UT2 is 145 bpm.

A good UT2 row is a HM.

You are only as good as your UT2 pace.

UT2 is 2K + 15.

ranger