Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 3rd, 2011, 1:52 pm

Fred wrote:what magical "technique" (not an improvement in fitness dont forget) event are you expecting to occur that will transform you from a 7:02 to a 6:16 erger.
Rowing badly, unprepared, at max drag, I pull 6:41.

But I now row well at 95 df.

Race preparation is worth a dozen seconds over 2K.

In terms of technical effectiveness and efficiency, rowing well at low drag is worth about the same (a dozen seconds over 2K).

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » May 3rd, 2011, 1:58 pm

Fred wrote:so your training method is the only one in the whole of sports that makes you worse and worse the longer you do it (for years), until all of a sudden it makes you the best ever.
Clearly, you have never done anything unprecedented/hard.

_Everything_ unprecedented has just this arc of development.

It is considered counterproductive/ineffective/ridiculous right before it is recognized as the best ever.

Kuhn?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Struct ... evolutions

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Fred » May 3rd, 2011, 2:03 pm

ranger wrote:
Fred wrote:so your training method is the only one in the whole of sports that makes you worse and worse the longer you do it (for years), until all of a sudden it makes you the best ever.
Clearly, you have never done anything unprecedented/hard.

_Everything_ unprecedented has just this arc of development.

It is considered counterproductive/ineffective/ridiculous right before it is recognized as the best ever.

Kuhn?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Struct ... evolutions

ranger
that's a miss-attributed quote

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » May 3rd, 2011, 2:30 pm

I'll really miss you for the next week ranger...everybody might as well head over to the UK blog section, there's no way in hell he can go a week without this attention.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by PaulH » May 3rd, 2011, 2:55 pm

And not just a misattributed quote, but the second one from me, the mod who warned him after the first time that he'd be banned. Ah well...

Ranger may return this time next week, in the meantime I'd guess he'll be on the UK forum real soon now.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » May 3rd, 2011, 3:11 pm

While he's off in the cooler for a week have we reached the time to lock and/or delete this nonsense thread?

He's not yet restarted his crap at http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=905 but I suspect that will happen before the end of the day.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by peterhowd » May 3rd, 2011, 3:24 pm

Damn, and just as the most recent wave of new readers were beginning to get him wound up. Will someone let us know if the UK forum has any highlights we really shouldn't miss?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » May 3rd, 2011, 3:38 pm

Citroen wrote:While he's off in the cooler for a week have we reached the time to lock and/or delete this nonsense thread?

He's not yet restarted his crap at http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=905 but I suspect that will happen before the end of the day.
And there he can go uncensored, so he will be a lot more abusive. :wink:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by lancs » May 3rd, 2011, 3:45 pm

Fred wrote:that's a miss-attributed quote
I wonder why he does that? I mean, really, what on Earth possesses him to deliberately change the name in the quote facility? Presumably it's part of the mental illness he has. Very odd.

At least he'll now be able to concentrate on trying figuring out how to get past 10k @ his FM pace.. :lol:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » May 3rd, 2011, 4:02 pm

lancs wrote:
Fred wrote:that's a miss-attributed quote
I wonder why he does that? I mean, really, what on Earth possesses him to deliberately change the name in the quote facility? Presumably it's part of the mental illness he has. Very odd.

At least he'll now be able to concentrate on trying figuring out how to get past 10k @ his FM pace.. :lol:
I think he's coding the
someone wrote:...
tags by hand. He gets half way through cutting'n'pasting and forgets who he's quoting. He's too technically incompetent to use the magic quote button.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Brunsie » May 3rd, 2011, 4:07 pm

ranger wrote:
Fred wrote:Alright then you are there, go do it and stop talking about it.
Talk has nothing to do with rowing.

You can talk about your rowing all you want.

The talk won't make you better or worse OTErg.

The talk is just social chit-chat, social networking.

It's fun.

I am not just talking.

I am doing it every day.

I'm not sure what your assumptions are.

Do you assume that habituating to a radically new technique is instantaneous?

Do you assume that race preparation is instantaneous?

Do you assume that training for and racing all of the events other than 2K is instantaneous?

Do you assume that sharpening to race is instantaneous?

Do you assume that training for rowing is just race preparation?

Do you assume...

If so, you know nothing about rowing, or have no ambition that even makes contact with the basic issues involved in rowing a WR 2K.

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Well I sure do agree with you on the fact that talking has nothing to do with rowing. I don't really talk about rowing any. I lurked here for 4 months and did not talk once, just patiently waiting for the proof that what you claim is true. You on the other hand talk about rowing more than anyone else by probably around a magnitude of 10.

As far as my assumptions, that is real easy, I will fill you in.

Years ago when YOU said your training is done and all you needed is to "sharpen" to prepare to race I ASSUMED you meant what you said. I also ASSUMED you meant what you said the dozens if not hundreds of other times you made similar claims. As much as I really want you to do this I am now thinking that when it comes to you I need to ASSUME the opposite of what I would with 99.9% of the rest of the people on earth. With most people I would ASSUME they will do what the say, perhaps with you I need to ASSUME you will not do what you say.

In light of the above I ASSUMED you were complete with "habituating to a radically new technique".

I ASSUMED and still do ASSUME that it should not take years to do the rest, IE sharpen & prepare.

You are right once again though I do know nothing about rowing & I have no ambition to make contact with any issues involved with rowing any piece at a WR pace. I got into rowing to improve my conditioning for another sport and it has worked magically for my intended purpose. Myself and a number of other people in my sport formed a team for the team challenge that took place in January and I was surprised how well we did considering this was just a by product of our other training. That pushed me to try all the set pieces except the FM just to see how I stack up against everyone else. I am no where near WR pace at anything but I am also very happy with my results considering what my goals and purpose is. I want to get better even though this is no where near my main focus and that lead me to this wonderful thread that is so full of promise for all the amazing things to come. Once again if you are right I would rather start learning your method now, before the "improper" way is to ingrained thus making it difficult to change.

I sense hostility coming from you, maybe that is just the internet, I mean no hostility toward you, I really want to see you do this, however I really do not want to be strung along for 5 years waiting to see it happen. If you really do plan to do any set piece and allow the rest of us to see the evidence of how it goes, great I plan to stick around and see how it goes, I will be rooting for you, however please just let us know a true honest time frame so we truly know what to expect. If you say "about" in your time frame I will consider that to be the time frame plus or minus 10% which I think fairly meets the definition of "about". So if you say by the end of the month, I would round that to mean 30 days plus or minus 3 days. If you don't think that is fair let me know what you think is so I will have the proper expectations.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » May 3rd, 2011, 4:36 pm

hjs wrote:
Citroen wrote:While he's off in the cooler for a week have we reached the time to lock and/or delete this nonsense thread?

He's not yet restarted his crap at http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=905 but I suspect that will happen before the end of the day.
And there he can go uncensored, so he will be a lot more abusive. :wink:
Can't the UK mods just expunge his web presence?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » May 3rd, 2011, 5:52 pm

Brunsie wrote:I am no where near WR pace at anything but I am also very happy with my results considering what my goals and purpose is. I want to get better even though this is no where near my main focus and that lead me to this wonderful thread that is so full of promise for all the amazing things to come. Once again if you are right I would rather start learning your method now, before the "improper" way is to ingrained thus making it difficult to change.
Hi Brunsie

Ranger was obviously a world class erger a few years ago and in all probability he still is.

Having said that I don’t think he gives anywhere near enough information about his training methods to enable anybody else to follow them – in fact he still seems to be experimenting with them.

If you really want to get better at erging I would suggest you follow one of the established training plans such as The Wolverine Plan – The Pete Plan or the Interactive Plan although other posters may suggest alternatives.

My personal favorite is The Wolverine Plan.

Details of all 3 can be found using the search facility or I can post them for you.

Most of the information relating to The Pete Plan & the Interactive Plan will be found on the UK forum.

Best of luck with your training.
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500m 01:33.5 Jun 2010 - 2K 06:59.5 Nov 2009 - 5K 19:08.4 Jan 2011

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by whp4 » May 3rd, 2011, 7:32 pm

If you want a plan that will reliably get you ready to race at a time on the race calendar, as opposed to a time of your choosing, ranger has nothing to offer you, except perhaps an example of what not to do.

Even if ranger had some miraculous new technique (no evidence of that, either from results or videos), he is demonstrably so unaware of what he is actually doing (despite his vaunted "feel" and claptrap about his "levers") that he couldn't begin to tell someone else how to do it.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » May 4th, 2011, 6:03 am

it took him alsmost a day. He proberly could not find the link anymore :P

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