Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » March 19th, 2011, 8:00 am

So let me get this right. You are calling out a 72year old man to see if he can do 50 jack knives?!! You are a grown man and not a 14 year old boy aint ya? You can work your camera to film yourself doing it but for some reason cant take a picture of your PM showing data you claim to row but the rest of us (with some justification) dont believe you can. You are not "a little lightweight". You are a heavyweight who used to kill himself to make LW but is incapable of doing it anymore. A lot of consecutive posts this morning Fucko? Your not a happy man are you? All these horrible people who wont buy into your self proclaimed magnificence. It's a crying shame. If only the world would realise that seven years of moving up and down on a stationary piece of exercise equipement is the equivalent of splitting the atom to you. However the best and i mean the best thing about all of this postulating wank is that_you_now_row_ a 7.02 2k. That sunshine is all she wrote. Naysayers 1 Von ManBatt 0.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » March 19th, 2011, 8:29 am

Rich:
Are you "there"?

Can't you even get your attribution of quotes right this "moaning"? :wink:

Explain to us again how you're "much better than that now"

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Isn't it so that in all cases your wattage is dropping as you age?
This is an accurate and up to date record of you chain yanking is it not? :|

Let's look at the 2k, for instance.
Your goal is to average 421 watts yet your best as a 55-59 lwt is 350 watts, a difference of 71 watts.
Explain to us again where those extra 71 watts are going to come from.
May I remind you that 71/350 means you'll need to sustain extra 20% more power over the 2k distance.
In effect you ae claiming that you are now 20% stronger than you were than 2010.. Very odd, I must say.

Will a few jack-knives prove anything on this subject? :roll:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2011, 8:40 am

bellboy wrote:You are calling out a 72year old man
No, not at all.

I challenged the younger guys out there.

But no one took me up on the challenge.

So Byron did.

_Obviously_, he can't do these things.

But he _said_ he could.

So I just want to see if he's lying.

It's puzzling, don't you think?

Why would some broken down old man lie about such things?

No one expects a broken down old man to be able to do 50 jackknives, much less 25 extension press ups and 30 pull ups.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2011, 8:44 am

Nice hour on the Kurt Kinetic after erging, videos, and breakfast.

HR flat at 155 bpm.

_Very_ easy stuff now.

I need to stretch these bike rides to 2.5 hours, about 50 miles, just to get used to the FM distance at the level of effort required.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » March 19th, 2011, 8:48 am

Breakfast!

What a great tip!

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DOES THAT make you 20% stronger?
Oh, sitting in the saddle of an exercise bike does,,,, my bad!

You seem to have the endurance ...Let's make that a given, Rich...
The thing is: you definitely do not have the speed. (1:25 500m)

Don't worry you're still our fav' frosted flake... :wink:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by atklein90 » March 19th, 2011, 9:16 am

ranger wrote:O.K.

Now I've also uploaded a video of 25 extension press ups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMtZXdXMbg

Byron?

Over to you.

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Why did you post the videos as 'private'? Unfortunately, I can't see them...
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by auerli » March 19th, 2011, 10:08 am

ranger wrote:
bellboy wrote:You are calling out a 72year old man
No, not at all.

I challenged the younger guys out there.

But no one took me up on the challenge.

So Byron did.

_Obviously_, he can't do these things.

But he _said_ he could.

So I just want to see if he's lying.

It's puzzling, don't you think?

Why would some broken down old man lie about such things?

No one expects a broken down old man to be able to do 50 jackknives, much less 25 extension press ups and 30 pull ups.

ranger

So here is a little challenge for you as you mentioned a FM as the first of the targets you want to go for and you seem to like challenges in the form of videos and pictures...

Considering your better (potential) 2k compared to my (real) one and my inferior max HR (170bpm), a FM like this should actually be a walk in the park for a distance specialist like you. But a PM4 screenshot of the repeatedly announced FM at 1:48 would be fine and acceptable as well.

Or are you possibly a broken old man lying about his abilities??? :oops:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » March 19th, 2011, 10:11 am

atklein90 wrote: Why did you post the videos as 'private'?
Can't you guess?

He deliberately posted the videos as private in the desperate hope that somebody would ask “why did you post the videos as 'private'?”

Because that's what trolls do.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2011, 10:31 am

atklein90 wrote:
ranger wrote:O.K.

Now I've also uploaded a video of 25 extension press ups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMtZXdXMbg

Byron?

Over to you.

ranger
Why did you post the videos as 'private'? Unfortunately, I can't see them...
Oh, yea.

Sorry.

I keep forgetting that imovie locks videos up as private when they are published to utube.

They are now public.

Enjoy!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2011, 10:36 am

auerll wrote:Considering your better (potential) 2k compared to my (real) one and my inferior max HR (170bpm), a FM like this should actually be a walk in the park for a distance specialist like you. But a PM4 screenshot of the repeatedly announced FM at 1:48 would be fine and acceptable as well
Congrats on the FM WR, and the new 2K WR, too.

Great stuff.

I'll give the FM a try pretty soon.

Then I'll work my way down through the distance events to 2K.

No, a FM @ 1:48 won't be a walk in the park, but sure, I think I can get it done.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2011, 10:41 am

mikvan52 wrote:The thing is: you definitely do not have the speed. (1:25 500m)
There's no evidence for this claim at all.

In rowing, speed is just stroking power.

And sure, I have the stroking power.

13 SPI @ 45 spm is 1:24.3.

When I get around to it, I think I'll do something like that.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2011, 10:43 am

auerll wrote:Or are you possibly a broken old man lying about his abilities???
Nope.

None of that going on here.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2011, 10:45 am

bellboy wrote:A lot of consecutive posts this morning
The early bird catches the worm.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2011, 10:57 am

mikvan52 wrote:ranger training has proven nothing.
True.

Training is no proof at all.

It just prepares you for the proof.

Unfortunately for many, I guess, the preparation is the only thing that counts.

If your preparation has been good, as mine has been, the proof just follows as a matter of course.

My first "proof" will be a FM @ 1:48.

And since that will implicate all my other goals, it will be sufficient, as far as talk goes here.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 19th, 2011, 11:07 am

auerli wrote:Considering your better (potential) 2k compared to my (real) one and my inferior max HR (170bpm), a FM like this should actually be a walk in the park for a distance specialist like you.
1:46.6 @ 26 spm

Yep.

I might do something _exactly_ like that.

11 SPI, on the button.

I like 26 spm, too, with a light stroke (11 SPI), like yours.

At 108 df., the ratio is still 3-to-1, in spite of the lighter stroking and therefore longer drive time.

For me, 1:46 @ 26 spm would be 8 seconds per 500m faster than my pb, set a decade ago.

Factoring in decline with age, this would be an improvement, due to my work on technique over the last eight years, of about a dozen seconds per 500m.

Given the 1:54 I pulled a decade ago, the prediction is that I will now pull 1:58.

For veterans, decline with age is right around 4 seconds per 500m per decade.

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