Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

"proving and verifying" your training has nothing to do with anything.

What a sad concept in view that this is supposed to be a training thread.
It suggests that it is just fine to post a litany of falsehoods and call it training.

"I now row all my strokes at (12 or 13 spi)" is an excellent example.
"I don't take days off" is another
"I'll work my way up to erging 42k a day at 23 spm and 1:48 pace (as a 60 year old)" is most glaring...
Then there's the 6:16 2k stuff...

Sad too that statements like these seem to give ranger a sense of comfort.

I suppose it doesn't matter as no one with any ongoing familiarity with the thread does not believe him anyway.
All ranger "friends"/supporters disappeared from this thread long ago. His "training" as presented here is a fraud.

Is it worth it to have continuous mendacious ranger-rants going on somewhat like a soliloquy? Not in my opinion.
===> I agree w/hjs.. lock this thread and set new standards for all "training" threads...

Mike--

Post a digipic of your force curve when you are pulling 1:58 @ 23 spm (9 SPI).

Rowing well for a lightweight is 13 SPI, so you must be doing something desperately wrong.

You are falling short of rowing well by almost 50% (4 SPI).

Perhaps we can give you some pointers on technique.

It does you no good whatsoever to work on your fitness, especially when it is declining with age, if you don't row well.

You just waste your fitness.

Your fitness does no effective and efficient work.

I pull 1:48 @ 23 spm (12 SPI), not 1:58 @ 23 spm (9 SPI).

Why are you getting 10 seconds per 500m less pace at the same rate?

If you are quick with your legs and have good timing and sequencing, you should get about 120 kg.F of peak force, as I do.

What do _you_ get?

80 kg.F?

ranger

[Steve G]

Rich
On the previous page you said rowing well for a LW is 13SPI, now you say you_now_row_well at 12SPI not 13 SPI, bloody confusing.
You will soon be down to the puny SPI league such as myself, Rick B etc
BTW you aint a LW!

Steve

[ranger]

Rich
On the previous page you said rowing well for a LW is 13SPI, now you say you_now_row_well at 12SPI not 13 SPI, bloody confusing.
Steve

No, it's not confusing.

I'm sure you'll figure it out.

How about this for clarification?

9 SPI is rowing like shit.

Better?

ranger

[mikvan52]

Rich:
Instead of coming home from work and typing the word "shit" over & over why not sit down and do a workout and post it IND_V May I suggest a HM as you are working on your FM?
That would be beneficial news to your erging community, don't you think?

Oh, and by the way, you mention that the 2011 season is not over, implying that you will turn in some time trials by the end of APRIL 2011.
Which might those be?
Will you be posting those IND_V...?
Again: To illustrate the value of your training you need results. You, yourself, have said you have not raced fully trained in the last 5 years. Am I wrong there?
When was your last fully trained effort and why was it so long ago? Does it take more than 5 years to learn to row well on a stationary piece of gym equipment?
Please reply w/o the expletives. No need to be so common.

as for me, I'm going to sit down and do a HM now... just an easy 1:58.5 target pace.
wish me (rowing) well (not the spi stuff though)

[dennish]

Let me clarify one more of the lingering unchallenged lies that I have read here. In both 2009 and 2010 on a day at the gym with my cycling team when the weather was too crappy to ride outside my mates asked me to show them how to row and race the erg. Basically on a dare I did a 2k with no regular erg training since 2006. In 2009 I put down a 6:52 and last year I put down 6:53. So how does that put the lie to his claim that he has the best times in his age for the last two years? Let me add that i did those rows at altitude. When i was consistently going to Boston (four hammers and a WR in my age group, how many for Rich, oh yeah one hammer and one WR done three times in the same age group, sounds to me like you were sand bagging the first two and still it's just one age group record, anyway I digress) my times from the qualifying races improved by 11-12 seconds when I got to sea level. You do the math. So therein is the lie, and moreover he knows this as I put it up on another thread a few months back and he responded to it so i know he knows. On a tangent last year at Masters Track Nationals I was part of the team that set the National Record in the 60-64 Team Pursuit, I came fourth in the Individual Pursuit and at Masters Road Nationals I was 7th in the Time Trial in my first race at that level. OK I'm done, but I had to set the record straight. So let the slander and lies continue to pour forth from Ann Arbor.

[ranger]

removed due to factual inaccuracy.

[ranger]

Rich:
Does it take more than 5 years to learn to row well on a stationary piece of gym equipment?

Sure.

At least.

Try it.

You'll see.

Pulling 9 SPI is not rowing well.

My next race will be a FM @ 1:48.

Enough said.

I suspect you can't do a FM better than 1:58.

Happy to see you prove me wrong.

ranger

[ranger]

Sure.

Any activity involves a mix of investment (in skill-building, training , etc.) and performance.

I spent the first three years or so in this sport performing.

Then I started to invest.

That investment is now complete.

So I am again focussing on performance.

ranger

[ranger]

I had to set the record straight.

"The record" has nothing to do with your personal narratives.

It is independent of your opinions.

ranger

[ranger]

Dennis--

You never came anywhere near pulling sub-6:30 OTErg.

I have pulled sub-6:30 five times, and even so, at max drag, as a complete novice, rowing badly.

Now that I am now longer a novice and am rowing well at low drag (108 df.), when I'm fully prepared, I'll pull sub-6:20.

Regardless of altitude, you would now have a hard time pulling sub-6:50.

Dennis:

You are too short, and much too weak in the upper body, to be an elite lightweight.

You also need to learn to row.

Your technique is absurdly bad.

ranger

[Flipper21]

Chronically embarrassing are the rants of the King of Hypothesis, yet he can't produce a row which may even go down as a 'null hypothesis'.

Yet, YOU lot still respond which given the years of repetition, ought to be thoroughly embarrassed with the continued rhetoric etc etc.

This is rangers thread, no doubts about that. But to have so many years of BS with arguments which go absolutely no where is shockingly childish in the extreme.

WTF is the point of this thread? Who is R. Cureton anyway? Stop being moronic and kill this thread once and for all. Really folks, you are demeaning all the good posts with this continued crap.

Or are you all just a bunch of idiots sharing the king of idiots forum?

BTW. There is no defence of this thread regardless how you all try to justify it. Grow up people and get real.

[snowleopard]

You're the biggest fool I know, Dennis.

And together with Mike Caviston, the worst thing this sport has had to offer.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

If anyone has any lingering doubt about ranger's worth as a member of the erging community or beyond then, really, nothing more need be said.

Mods, really, this thread should be locked and ranger should be banished to ethanol befuddled obscurity. He brings nothing to this sport, this company or this community and should be banished. He's playing you for fools.

If you think that lying, insults and substance abuse in some way supports the ethos of athletic excellence then continue to give him a platform here. But I think that it is grossly at odds with what an indoor rowing forum is all about.

[mrfit]

Easy everyone. It's just the ranger- go-round. The ponies are not real. The ride goes nowhere.

[atklein90]

nteresting that you claim to have the best 2K time for your age the last two years. When I look at the rankings for 2011, you're sitting right at #40. How is that "the best"?

2009 & 2010.

2011 is this year. It isn't over yet.

ranger

Nope, not over yet. But considering you've chickened out of the 5 other races you were going to row in, it's over for you.

How about that $1 bet on pulling sub-6:20? If you're so confident that you can pull a 6:16, it should be a walk in the park.

But I have a feeling you'll completely ignore the challenge since you lack a spine, but prove me wrong.

[Byron Drachman]

On a tangent last year at Masters Track Nationals I was part of the team that set the National Record in the 60-64 Team Pursuit,

That is so impressive. People who haven't tried the team pursuit don't realize the skill necessary to pull off and drop back in smoothly without wasting energy.