Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » November 17th, 2010, 10:41 am

ranger wrote:
NavigationHazard wrote:9:40 am Birmingham time, I think. I'm not looking to set the world on fire -- from experience I know how debilitating the trans-Atlantic crossing can be, and there's no telling how I'll react on race day until I try to summon the effort. I make no predictions. Still, at the moment I rather like my chances of finishing at least 10 seconds faster than Fraudger. Who I might add will be affected by the travel as well, although he'll no doubt be along to claim that he won't be.
Try trans-Atlantic traveling, and then having to make weight, too, at 60 years old and 10% body fat, before racing, and not being very sharp to boot.
Boo f'ing hoo, I'm getting all weepy. People make choices. You and Nav both made the choice to travel thousands of miles to row for 6-8 minutes on an exercise machine. The excuses are lame and you aren't 60, nimrod.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by DUThomas » November 17th, 2010, 10:45 am

ranger wrote:I could have rode for three hours.
But could you have ridden for three hours? Remind me: which department is pushing you out the door?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mrfit » November 17th, 2010, 10:59 am

ranger wrote: During my hour OTBike after erging, my heart rate rode along right at 175 bpm, and after a couple of bursts, just for fun, floated up over180 bpm.
ranger
How fast were you going? (or watts if you want to use the curve I gave you). I've been riding at 220 to 240 lately. HR just 150-160. I keep HR 175 out of my training. It just wears me out (e.g "racing your training". It's FRO. (For racing only)

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mrfit » November 17th, 2010, 11:22 am

DUThomas wrote:
ranger wrote:I could have rode for three hours.
But could you have ridden for three hours? Remind me: which department is pushing you out the door?
Easy, DU. I think we are still trying to get him to understand that now means something done in the present. Using past participle forms of irregular verbs could be a stretch. :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by DUThomas » November 17th, 2010, 12:17 pm

mrfit wrote:Easy, DU. I think we are still trying to get him to understand that now means something done in the present. Using past participle forms of irregular verbs could be a stretch. :D
You're right ... baby steps.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 17th, 2010, 12:46 pm

mrfit wrote:
ranger wrote: During my hour OTBike after erging, my heart rate rode along right at 175 bpm, and after a couple of bursts, just for fun, floated up over180 bpm.
ranger
How fast were you going? (or watts if you want to use the curve I gave you). I've been riding at 220 to 240 lately. HR just 150-160. I keep HR 175 out of my training. It just wears me out (e.g "racing your training". It's FRO. (For racing only)
I felt no after-effect whatsoever.

I was just doing some mild cross-training.

My HR hit 180 bpm at one point.

I was going to step it up and see if I could see my maxHR, but as you say, that would have been pretty stupid.

I was just delighted to see the high HR for so long and without any discomfort.

If my body responds that way in Birmingham, I will do _very_, _very_ well.

I will just float along until 1700m, rating only 30 spm, and then put on the biggest forkin' kick you've ever seen in your life.

If I really feel fresh, I suspect I can rate 40 spm over the last 300m.

That would be 1:29 pace.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 17th, 2010, 12:54 pm

jliddel wrote:People make choices.
So, Nav and I will see you at BIRC?

Which hotel are you staying in?

Why don't we get together for a chat, or a beer after the races?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 17th, 2010, 12:59 pm

DUThomas wrote:which department is pushing you out the door?
My retirement is voluntary, and already a done deal.

Delighted with that.

I have plenty of money to live on for the rest of my life.

In a couple of years, when I finish up teaching (December 2012), I can be a _complete_ rowing/cycling/skiing/swimming/running bum, like Mike VB, Rocket Roy, Dennis Hastings, etc.

I can get up late and drift down to the river for a paddle in the warm noon sun and then, when that is done, drift back home for a little lunch out on the town with the wife.

The good investments I have made with my retirement money over the last ten years, i.e., guessing _both_ the tech bubble and the housing bubble in the stock market, selling out at the top and buying in at the bottom, are making it possible for me to retire 10 years earlier than I thought I would.

When I retire at 62, I will have twice as much money saved for retirement as I thought I would have if I retired at 72.

:o :shock:

Nice.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mrfit » November 17th, 2010, 1:06 pm

ranger wrote:
mrfit wrote:
ranger wrote: During my hour OTBike after erging, my heart rate rode along right at 175 bpm, and after a couple of bursts, just for fun, floated up over180 bpm.
ranger
How fast were you going? (or watts if you want to use the curve I gave you). I've been riding at 220 to 240 lately. HR just 150-160. I keep HR 175 out of my training. It just wears me out (e.g "racing your training". It's FRO. (For racing only)
I felt no after-effect whatsoever.

I was just doing some mild cross-training.

My HR hit 180 bpm at one point.

I was going to step it up and see if I could see my maxHR, but as you say, that would have been pretty stupid.

I was just delighted to see the high HR for so long and without any discomfort.

If my body responds that way in Birmingham, I will do _very_, _very_ well.

I will just float along until 1700m, rating only 30 spm, and then put on the biggest forkin' kick you've ever seen in your life.

If I really feel fresh, I suspect I can rate 40 spm over the last 300m.

That would be 1:29 pace.

ranger
So..like 19 mph?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » November 17th, 2010, 1:11 pm

ranger wrote:The good investments I have made with my retirement money over the last ten years, i.e., guessing _both_ the tech bubble and the housing bubble in the stock market, selling out at the top and buying in at the bottom, are making it possible for me to retire 10 years earlier than I thought I would.

When I retire at 62, I will have twice as much money saved for retirement as I thought I would have if I retired at 72.
Eh? On a modest salary you've been invested for just 10 years and you are able to retire 10 years early. I mean, like, wow! man. You ain't bein' made redundant, you musta been head-hunted by a Wall Street hedge fund :shock:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » November 17th, 2010, 1:27 pm

ranger wrote:The good investments I have made with my retirement money over the last ten years, i.e., guessing _both_ the tech bubble and the housing bubble in the stock market, selling out at the top and buying in at the bottom, are making it possible for me to retire 10 years earlier than I thought I would.
If I thought there was any chance of getting paid I would offer you odds of 10:1 that I could prove your statement is a pack of lies.

Why do you exagerate so much?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » November 17th, 2010, 1:54 pm

ranger wrote:
I have plenty of money to live on for the rest of my life.
subtext:

"As I am a great investor, so also, I am the most fabulous erger to ever set foot on this planet. I will do 2k just under 6:50 in Birmingham having invested over 1000 dollars to produce a somewhat pedestrian performance that I could have done IND_V at home. I could have used this $1k to pay Henry but as I am a dishonorable sort I'd rather preen my feathers in front of thousands.
I am also so deluded as to think that anyone would sit down and drink a beer with me in friendship. Even "man's best friend" would have nothing to do with me unless I had a steak tied on a rope around my neck."

If I were you, Rich, I'd go long on Beef Jerky futures. :idea: There's going to be a big market for it in Ann Arbor.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 17th, 2010, 2:16 pm

mikvan52 wrote:
ranger wrote:
I have plenty of money to live on for the rest of my life.
subtext:

"As I am a great investor, so also, I am the most fabulous erger to ever set foot on this planet. I will do 2k just under 6:50 in Birmingham having invested over 1000 dollars to produce a somewhat pedestrian performance that I could have done IND_V at home. I could have used this $1k to pay Henry but as I am a dishonorable sort I'd rather preen my feathers in front of thousands.
I am also so deluded as to think that anyone would sit down and drink a beer with me in friendship. Even "man's best friend" would have nothing to do with me unless I had a steak tied on a rope around my neck."

If I were you, Rich, I'd go long on Beef Jerky futures. :idea: There's going to be a big market for it in Ann Arbor.
You''re saying it, Mike, thus creating your own bitter little world.

Well, you've gotta live in it, I guess.

Nay-sayers.

What next?

See you at BIRC?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 17th, 2010, 2:20 pm

KevJGK wrote:
ranger wrote:The good investments I have made with my retirement money over the last ten years, i.e., guessing _both_ the tech bubble and the housing bubble in the stock market, selling out at the top and buying in at the bottom, are making it possible for me to retire 10 years earlier than I thought I would.
If I thought there was any chance of getting paid I would offer you odds of 10:1 that I could prove your statement is a pack of lies.

Why do you exagerate so much?
No, they are not a pack of lies.

I guessed both stock market bubbles--the tech bubble and the housing bubble--by just paying attention.

Anyone who did anything similar would also have made a fortune.

In both cases, the stock market fell 50% and then rose (or is in the process of rising) over 100%.

I sold out with _all_ of my retirement funds, and then bought back in with all of my retirement funds.

Twice.

In the last decade, the stock market made nothing.

But I made about 15% a year.

These investment decisions tripled, or even quadrupled, the actuarial projection of my retirement account.

In the housing bubble, the guy managing Harvard's endowment lost six billion dollars, a sum equal to the entire endowment of the University of Michigan.

Why?

Because he followed one of the standard training plans for rowing.

:D :D

That's a lot of zeros:

$6,000,000,000

If you put most of your money in highly levered mortgage derivatives, the standard plans for rowing say, you can _really_ make a killing, even though, sure, it's a bit (ha, ha) risky.

:shock: :shock:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » November 17th, 2010, 2:27 pm

ranger wrote:
I have plenty of money to live on for the rest of my life.
As the big-money men down in Texas say:
"Big Hat = No Cattle"

Who was it that said:
"I have plenty of stroking power to carry me to a 6:20 at the 2010 BIRC" ?
Is there any connection between a liar's fabrications?
In all respects though: Who bought up the subject of retirement accounts on this thread?.... You.
Such diversions only serve as a vain attempt to change the subject. You do not wish to discuss your upcoming 6:4x.x 2k and the boring training that it took to get you there.

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