Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 10th, 2010, 1:05 pm

KevJGK wrote:The way to control your weight is via your diet; you cannot use cross training at this stage (or any stage) to compensate for being a pig.
A pig?

Hardly.

Only 1% of 60-year-old males are 10% body fat.

In fact, the standards for % body fat say that anything less than 13% body fat for a 60-year-old male is unhealthy.

I make weight at 10% body fat.

_Rowing Faster_ says that the ideal (young) rower is 9% body fat.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » November 10th, 2010, 1:07 pm

mikvan52 wrote: Ever thought of becoming a guest lecturer on bulimia nervosa?

Bulimia nervosa is an eating disorder characterized by the restraining of food intake for a period of time followed by an over intake or binging period that results in feelings of guilt and low self-esteem. Sufferers attempt to overcome these feeling through a number of ways.[1] The most common form is defensive vomiting, sometimes called purging; fasting, the use of laxatives, enemas, diuretics, and over exercising are also common.[2] Bulimia nervosa is nine times more likely to occur in women than men (Barker 2003). ( :shock: )
The word bulimia derives from the Latin (būlīmia), which originally comes from the Greek βουλιμία (boulīmia; ravenous hunger), a compound of βους (bous), ox + λιμός (līmos), hunger.[3] Bulimia nervosa was named and first described by the British psychiatrist Gerald Russell in 1979.[4][5]


Ah... I see Barker's been there already... in 2003!
This constant weight gain and loss is odd to say the least. Then he tries to send us to his kids blogs about "healthy" eating. There is nothing healthy about weight swings at any age. The way this tale continues to weave itself is really quite fascinating. Sort of like watching "Dexter" and seeing how he will handle his next victim and not be found out.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 10th, 2010, 1:10 pm

KevJGK wrote:The way to control your weight is via your diet; you cannot use cross training at this stage (or any stage) to compensate for being a pig.
"Can't" is _waaay_ too strong a word here, Kevin, if not just outright wrong.

Why?

I have already done it--repeatedly.

Then, as a 50s lwt, I have rowed 6:28, 6:29, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, 6:36, etc.

Fait accompli.

Now that I am much better technically and row _very_ well (13.5 SPI) at low drag (120 df.), my goal is to row at lwt 6:16.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » November 10th, 2010, 1:15 pm

macroth wrote:
Bob S. wrote:
macroth wrote:A week and a half from your biggest ERG race in years, your last opportunity to set a 55 LW world record on the ERG, and erging amounts to less than 25% of your daily training. :lol:
That's not correct. There is at least one indoor regatta (in the U.S.) in early January well before Cureton's 60th birthday. There may be others as well, but they are still listed as TBD.

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My bad. What a pity. That means the drivel could continue at least until then. :(
There are three certainties in life; death, taxes and the continous outpouring of Ranger's drivel. It will continue long after the old goat reaches the next anniversary of his birth. It will continue even if we all steer away from responding on his training thread.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » November 10th, 2010, 1:15 pm

ranger wrote:
KevJGK wrote:The way to control your weight is via your diet; you cannot use cross training at this stage (or any stage) to compensate for being a pig.
A pig?

Hardly.

Only 1% of 60-year-old males are 10% body fat.

In fact, the standards for % body fat say that anything less than 13% body fat for a 60-year-old male is unhealthy.

I make weight at 10% body fat.

_Rowing Faster_ says that the ideal (young) rower is 9% body fat.

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And quit wasting tax payers money all day on the net. I thought you had a "job". The constant posts via the UM internet aren't multitasking.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » November 10th, 2010, 1:19 pm

Here you go then.

This seems suitably daft.

http://www.aboutcabbagesoupdiet.com/proandcons.htm
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 10th, 2010, 1:24 pm

And quit wasting tax payers money all day on the net. I thought you had a "job". The constant posts via the UM internet aren't multitasking.
I am doing conferences with students and preparing class for tomorrow, reading Elizabeth Bishop.

No tax dollars are being wasted.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Byron Drachman » November 10th, 2010, 1:31 pm

KevJGK wrote:Here you go then.

This seems suitably daft.

http://www.aboutcabbagesoupdiet.com/proandcons.htm
Hi Kevin,

That's a great suggestion. It would also be good preparation for the great crepitation contest:

http://oldtimeradio-in-tx.homedns.org/o ... 20contest/

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by KevJGK » November 10th, 2010, 1:45 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:
KevJGK wrote:Here you go then.

This seems suitably daft.

http://www.aboutcabbagesoupdiet.com/proandcons.htm
Hi Kevin,

That's a great suggestion. It would also be good preparation for the great crepitation contest:

http://oldtimeradio-in-tx.homedns.org/o ... 20contest/
I was really enjoying that recording Byron.

It was getting quite exciting.

You could hear the needle going over a big scratch every revolution but then it all ended abruptly.

I hope nobody was injured.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by DUThomas » November 10th, 2010, 2:56 pm

ranger wrote:Then, as a 50s lwt, I have rowed 6:28, 6:29, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, 6:36, etc.
By "etc." you mean 6:41.4, I assume. Now help me understand how that series shows progress.

That's a decline of at least 1.8 seconds a year (even assuming that you were generous in your rounding). Yikes. Does it bother you that others have had the same decline with far less effort?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 10th, 2010, 3:06 pm

KevJGK wrote:Here you go then.

This seems suitably daft.

http://www.aboutcabbagesoupdiet.com/proandcons.htm
Hey.

Nothing wrong with cabbage.

Love it.

But no reason to eat _only_ cabbage if you are burning 6000 calories a day in exercise, in addition to your basal metabolism.

You might want to eat all sort of other veggies, too.

_Heaps_ of them.

You know those big bags of veggies that are made for families of eight?

I just steam them up, dump them on a plate, and eat veggies for eight.

Ah.....

Dinner.

:D :D

If you do this and exercise a lot, you feel great and lose weight hand over fist.

I suppose you have to like veggies at least a little bit, though, to pull this off.

:o :shock:

Actually, I cheated a bit at noon today.

I had a trail bar.

That added 140 calories to my veggie diet, although the box says that I also got some carbs (24g, 8% of my minimal daily requirement of 300g).

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 10th, 2010, 3:18 pm

DUThomas wrote:
ranger wrote:Then, as a 50s lwt, I have rowed 6:28, 6:29, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, 6:36, etc.
By "etc." you mean 6:41.4, I assume. Now help me understand how that series shows progress.
No, not at all.

The times above were all done fully sharpened.

I haven't sharpened to race since 2003.

I suppose I won't be fully sharpened this year, either, until WIRC.

But then, sure, we can see how much I have improved or declined relative to the 2003 times I list above.

I think I'm going to pull a lwt 6:16 at WIRC 2011, when I am 60.

That won't be a decline at all.

It will be an improvement of a dozen seconds over my best time in 2003, even though I am now eight years older.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 10th, 2010, 3:23 pm

jliddel wrote:There is nothing healthy about weight swings at any age.
My weight swings now are from 10% body fat (which I need to be at in order to race as a lightweight) and 15% body fat, a _healthier_ alternative, which I stay at most of the year, when I am not racing OTErg.

As I mentioned, 10% body fat for a 60-year old male is considered unhealthy.

So I don't stay at 10% body fat all year round.

Most elite lightweights (such as Mike Caviston) do exactly the same thing.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » November 10th, 2010, 3:26 pm

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:Talking training for a moment:
ranger wrote:
The unusual quantity of work I am doing, both OTErg and elsewhere, is largely low intensity
So: Is ranger now sharp from doing "largely low intensity" work in the 2 weeks prior to a max effort?

If we look at his posting times:

(» November 10th, 2010, 1:51 am

» November 10th, 2010, 2:02 am

» November 10th, 2010, 3:36 am

» November 10th, 2010, 3:37 am

» November 10th, 2010, 4:35 am


» November 10th, 2010, 4:50 am

» November 10th, 2010, 5:11 am

» November 10th, 2010, 5:28 am

» November 10th, 2010, 5:32 am

» November 10th, 2010, 5:47 am)


we can see that between 2:02 am & 3:36 am he allowed himself a little time for training... perhaps an hour.

Was this for his "low intensity"?
Perhaps ranger will weigh-in on this matter of some substance :?: :idea: :|
I skipped rope for an hour, 2:30 a.m.-3:30 a.m.

I rowed for an hour, 3:30 a.m.-4:30 a.m.

I ate breakfast after erging.

I rode my bike for an hour, 6 a.m.-7 a.m.

I'll step this afternoon for 90min from 3 p.m.-4:30 p.m.

I'll ride my bike this evening for another hour 8 p.m.-9 p.m.

ranger
You had less than an hour to get from the keyboard =>to the erg => back to keyboard => write a post.... That does not equal an hour of rowing .... ++++ you row with breaks.

Did you do speed work?... Oh.. silly me!... you already said "low intensity"

.. and this is known as sharpening...

Clearly, all you are doing right now is trying to make weight.
I feel sorry for you.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » November 10th, 2010, 3:37 pm

ranger wrote:
I suppose I won't be fully sharpened this year, either, until WIRC.
Now for my prediction:

I predict ranger will never claim that he is fully sharpened for the rest of his desiccated existence.
(makes for indefinite opportunity to make excuses for less than "unprecedented" 2k erg performances)

Close reading on ranger today in RWB Digest:

ranger still holding out on race plan for BIRC.... question marks abound!
Perfect troll-like atmosphere in Ann Arbor emanating from the cave of eternal bat guano.
Will he go out at 1:35 pace? Pundits agree: R>C> will hold this hype right up to race day but will actually go out at 1:39...
(He wants Roy's record)
Faltering expected in 3rd 500m.... Nonetheless, ranger will still finish with a great time = 6:4x.x

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