Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

How about this comparison, which might happen at WIRC 2011?

mikvan52 1:43 @ 34 spm (9.4 SPI)

ranger 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI)

The difference is 36 seconds over 2K, 9 seconds per 500m.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Muppet. You've been claiming all along that "natural stroking power" wins among similar rowers as well as ergers. Most recently on 1 October (http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=117406#p117406)

I still have a PM2. What is SPI?

Thanks
Gene

You race at your natural stroking power.

Everyone the same age and weight races at right about the same rate.

Watts/pace is stroking power times rate.

So, the rower with the highest natural stroking power wins.

ranger

And from 1 September (http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=141458#p141458):

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Everyone the same age and weight rows at pretty much the same rate, given the same distance.

So, the rower with the highest natural stroking power wins.

If you have a high natural stroking power, you are effective and efficient.

And in rowing, that's all she wrote.

Everyone who is anyone tries hard, gives sit their all, is diligent in practice, puts in the meters, sharpens hard, gets ready to race, etc. All of that doesn't have any bearing on who is fast and who not.

Of course, this isn't just the case for the erg.

The same thing is true on the water.
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Explain again how SPI predicts the 2010 FISA Worlds MHW 1x "winners." The man with the lowest SPI among the three medallists won the race. They're all in the same age, weight and gender category....

[ranger]

Explain again how SPI predicts the 2010 FISA Worlds MHW 1x "winners." The man with the lowest SPI among the three medallists won the race. They're all in the same age, weight and gender category....

My argument is for Senior and Veteran rowers, especially Veteran rowers.

So what you cite about elite young rowers has no bearing on my claims.

SPI does indeed show why elite young rowers beat the snot out of older rowers, though, as I point out.

ranger

[hjs]

How about this comparison, which might happen at WIRC 2011?

mikvan52 1:43 @ 34 spm (9.4 SPI)

ranger 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI)

The difference is 36 seconds over 2K, 9 seconds per 500m.

ranger

Mike will be a bit faster and certainly not rating 34, 31 I think.

You won,t show up at all, let alone row 1.34, if you do turn up and row the first 500 in 1.34 you will finish far above 7 minutes.


Ps You know I far better predikt what you will do then your coach

[NavigationHazard]

No, your argument has been about all rowers. Read what you yourself wrote. What part of "everyone" do you fail to grasp?

[ranger]

At the Head of the Charles, all of the best boats rate about 30 spm.

But the younger rowers beat the Veteran rowers by a dozen seconds per 500m.

What's the difference?

Stroking power.

The best Veteran boats pull about 6.7 SPI; the best younger boats 9 SPI.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

At the FISA worlds, the man with the lowest spi among the MHW 1xs medallists won the race. He is the reigning world champion. He is the "best boat" (1x) on the planet right now. If SPI wins, how did he win?

[hjs]

At the Head of the Charles, all of the best boats rate about 30 spm.

But the younger rowers beat the Veteran rowers by a dozen seconds per 500m.

What's the difference?

Stroking power.

The best Veteran boats pull about 6.7 SPI; the best younger boats 9 SPI.

ranger

I can't resist

The difference is as stated there AGE..............

Life is a hill with a flat top, at first you climb the hill, between 20/35 ish the hil is flat and after 35 the hill start decending again..... In time faster and faster....

[slwiser]

At the Head of the Charles, all of the best boats rate about 30 spm.

The best Veteran boats pull about 6.7 SPI; the best younger boats 9 SPI.

ranger

Earlier you said "ranger 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI)" this suggest that you think you are 25% more powerful than the youngest and worlds best when you are now at 60.

My question is what does this suggest about you?

Ondrej Synek/ CZE

0500m: 2nd: 1:40.33 pace (346.56w), 39.58 spm = 8.76 spi
1000m: 1st: 1:43.56 pace (315.13w), 37.76 spm = 8.35 spi
1500m: 1st: 1:43.22 pace (318.26w), 38.68 spm = 8.23 spi
2000m: 1st: 1:40.38 pace (346.00w), 36.19 spm = 9.56 spi

Ondrej averaged 332 watts overall and you suggest you would average 416 watts overall pulling away which is 25% more power than Ondrej...this suggests an interesting pathology that you may have.

[mikvan52]

Once again ranger has been exposed as a prankster.

You can recognize him in a crowd. Even with all his other orifices closed, he's the one with the brown stuff pouring out of his ears...

By the way I've devised a new workout for 55-59 lwts who are capable of rowing at 11 spi.
I'm going to see if Concept2 will let me post it under it's own thread. If not, I'll just leave it in my blog.

I call it "The Rule of Elevens"

[ranger]

At the Head of the Charles, all of the best boats rate about 30 spm.

The best Veteran boats pull about 6.7 SPI; the best younger boats 9 SPI.

ranger

Earlier you said "ranger 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI)" this suggest that you think you are 25% more powerful than the youngest and worlds best when you are now at 60.

My question is what does this suggest about you?

Ondrej Synek/ CZE

0500m: 2nd: 1:40.33 pace (346.56w), 39.58 spm = 8.76 spi
1000m: 1st: 1:43.56 pace (315.13w), 37.76 spm = 8.35 spi
1500m: 1st: 1:43.22 pace (318.26w), 38.68 spm = 8.23 spi
2000m: 1st: 1:40.38 pace (346.00w), 36.19 spm = 9.56 spi

Ondrej averaged 332 watts overall and you suggest you would average 416 watts overall pulling away which is 25% more power than Ondrej...this suggests an interesting pathology that you may have.

You are mixing OTErg and OTW figures.

Total boggle.

The two differ by 10-20 seconds per 500m, given the same effort.

ranger

[ranger]

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[aharmer]

"Ranger's training thread"

That is the title of this thread correct? Maybe ranger would like to discuss his training...or show us some of his training? No? Okay, instead let's read about ranger talking about Mike's rowing. Or some European rower and his OTW SPI. Or Kermit the Frog. Anything other than showing his real training pieces.

Any good sharpening workouts the last few days you could pull off the PM and show us? They were going to start sooner than later. With the most important race in 7 years just a couple weeks away I think you've probably started preparing for it...no?

[whp4]

With the most important race in 7 years just a couple weeks away I think you've probably started preparing for it...no?

He has, but he doesn't prepare his excuses on the erg, only the poor performances that necessitate the excuses

[Den-J]

Just checked out the result of the GB rowing trials the fastest in the 2k erg test was 23rd in the otw test ..the best on the erg are the best on the otw?