Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

My heat was sculled at 28 spm (an hour before)

Yea.

That is my target for the Head of the Charles 2011.

2:00 @ 28 spm (7.1 SPI)

ranger

If you don't make the lottery selection for the HOCR... will you cry and stamp your feet?



or will you do the adult thing and sign-up for another head race to show us your stuff?

There's more to getting in the HOCR than an entry fee, you know!

Or, since you will not be getting that 6:16, will you stick to "the project"... "unfinished business"?

[kini62]

For my age, my aerobic capacity is freakishly high.

ranger

No it's not. You suck wind just like the rest of your "peers". You can tell your true aerobic capacity with a true aerobic test like running where you are not anything more than average.

So you are just freakishly, freakish. Nothing more but certainly less.

[Nosmo]

OK Ranger-boy, time for another quiz:

1) Two people one, a 130 lbs and the other 165 lbs row at 25 spm and 2:00 pace on the erg, Who has the higher SPI?

2) If the same two people do the same On The Water who has the higher SPI?

3) If a 158 person rows 1K in a Fluid Design at 31 spm and 3:40 and then Does the same thing in a Pinert 26, does the SPI change?

4) Explain what SPI is. Explain in enough detail to show an understanding of the relevant concepts.

[ranger]

will you do the adult thing and sign-up for another head race to show us your stuff?

"The adult thing?"

Not sure what you are talking about.

Hopefully, I will be doing head races for the rest of my life, a full docket every fall.

I also hope to do a number of sprint races every spring and summer.

Are you going to "do the adult thing" and sign up for a lot of erg races each winter?

I have raced _waaay_ more than you on the erg.

I haven't raced on the water because I am still learning to row.

No reason to race OTW until you are decently competent.

I am getting pretty good now, though, and so racing should be possible pretty soon.

ranger

[ranger]

OK Ranger-boy, time for another quiz:

1) Two people one, a 130 lbs and the other 165 lbs row at 25 spm and 2:00 pace on the erg, Who has the higher SPI?

2) If the same two people do the same On The Water who has the higher SPI?

3) If a 158 person rows 1K in a Fluid Design at 31 spm and 3:40 and then Does the same thing in a Pinert 26, does the SPI change?

4) Explain what SPI is. Explain in enough detail to show an understanding of the relevant concepts.

Stroking power is stroking power.

No need to conflate it with other things.

Equipment and weight are other matters.

So are training and aerobic capacity.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

April 27, 2009: I can hold a solid 2:00 @ 30 spm. --snip--I am now ready to race OTW.

July 20, 2010: I haven't raced on the water because I am still learning to row.

[Nosmo]

OK Ranger-boy, time for another quiz:

1) Two people one, a 130 lbs and the other 165 lbs row at 25 spm and 2:00 pace on the erg, Who has the higher SPI?

2) If the same two people do the same On The Water who has the higher SPI?

3) If a 158 person rows 1K in a Fluid Design at 31 spm and 3:40 and then Does the same thing in a Pinert 26, does the SPI change?

4) Explain what SPI is. Explain in enough detail to show an understanding of the relevant concepts.

Stroking power is stroking power.

No need to conflate it with other things.

Equipment and weight are other matters.

So are training and aerobic capacity.

ranger

Seriously Ranger, If you honestly think about the questions and try to answer them, you may learn something.
Your previous posts indicate some confusion about what power is and what SPI is. Answering in a tautology is merely avoiding the issue and demonstrates ignorance.

These questions were actually designed to elucidate some concepts. I will not ridicule you if you honestly attempt an answer. Give it a shot, you have nothing to loose.

[bloomp]

Rich, you frequently compare yourself to other lightweight greats in the sport. Ebbesen, Stephansen, Luini. Do you plan to race OTW as lightweight as well? They do (did in the case of Ebbesen).

[ranger]

Rich, you frequently compare yourself to other lightweight greats in the sport. Ebbesen, Stephansen, Luini. Do you plan to race OTW as lightweight as well? They do (did in the case of Ebbesen).

At my age, weight OTW doesn't matter much, as Mike VB showed at the US Masters Nationals last year.

Sure, I could try rowing OTW as a lightweight, but I am not sure why.

Weight makes much more difference on the erg, although if I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, for me, it won't matter much there, either.

The 60s hwt WR is 6:23.8.

The 55s hwt WR is 6:18.6.

ranger

[whp4]

Rich, you frequently compare yourself to other lightweight greats in the sport. Ebbesen, Stephansen, Luini. Do you plan to race OTW as lightweight as well? They do (did in the case of Ebbesen).

At my age, weight OTW doesn't matter much, as Mike VB showed at the US Masters Nationals last year.

Sure, I could try rowing OTW as a lightweight, but I am not sure why.

Weight makes much more difference on the erg, although if I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, for me, it won't matter much there, either.

The 60s hwt WR is 6:23.8.

The 55s hwt WR is 6:18.6.

I still remember the day when you last took a crack at beating some heavyweights rowing as a lightweight. 7:04.3, and you still claim you almost pulled it off

You haven't had the guts to show your face at a major venue since. Small wonder!

[ranger]

Your previous posts indicate some confusion about what power is and what SPI is.

No, they don't.

SPI is not even my concept.

If you want to clarify the concept, talk is PaulS.

ranger

[ranger]

I still remember the day when you last took a crack at beating some heavyweights rowing as a lightweight. 7:04.3, and you still claim you almost pulled it off

Yes.

I was 55, and I had just pulled 6:29.7 two weeks before as a heavyweight, pulling 12 SPI, without even preparing for it.

The 55s lwt WR then was Dennis Hastings' 6:40.xxx.

The 55s hwt hammer that year pulled 6:34.

In 2006, I came within a couple of seconds of having the best _heavyweight_ time in my age and weight bracket.

[In 2003, I won the heavyweight silver at WIRC, rowing as a lightweight.]

So, in all probability, if I had just rowed as a heavyweight at WIRC 2006, II would have won the _heavyweight_ hammer.

No male rower under 75 has ever won _both_ a lightweight and a heavyweight hammer.

No wonder.

Up until 75, standards in the two weight claasses differ by 15-20 seconds.

ranger

[lancs]

and I had just pulled 6:29.7 two weeks before as a heavyweight, pulling 12 SPI, without even preparing for it.

Do you feel so insecure about yourself that you continually have to claim you rowed 'without even preparing for it'. That 6:29 was a top row for a 55s hwt tho a few seconds short of the WR of course.

[auerli]

Your previous posts indicate some confusion about what power is and what SPI is.

No, they don't.

SPI is not even my concept.

If you want to clarify the concept, talk is PaulS.

ranger

But you are the inventor of OTW SPI.

Come on, don´t be shy and tell us your magic!

[rjw]

Your previous posts indicate some confusion about what power is and what SPI is.

No, they don't.

SPI is not even my concept.

If you want to clarify the concept, talk is PaulS.

Yes, Paul did use it but for a very specific purpose. You, on the other hand, took it out of context and use it in places and ways that Paul never intended. As a result, I believe that your usage of SPI is generally meaningless.

Do you remember the context and conditions that Paul used/uses SPI? Didn't think so.