The Two Types of Training

[cah]

Dear Snowleopard

I don't think ranger is as stupid in his training approach as some would like him to be. He has written posts that show, that he knows exactly what he is doing. It may be so, that he will never row below 6.30 og reach 6.16, but his 6.41 is nevertheless impressive and much better than 6.47 - and so what about his other (failed) attempts? He really is trying to write a gigantic poem..

As for Your other comment about Bubba: I am sorry- because of intercultural differences and my poor english I do not understand what You mean 'go cook a shrimp'. I did just cook some pasta though, don't know if that will do.

Kind regards

Claus the dane

[snowleopard]

is nevertheless impressive

-- snip --

and my poor english

Yes, you do seem to struggle with the language

Enjoy your pasta.

[ranger]

You can't. You won't.

It doesn't matter what happens.

The training takes care of results, if you believe in training.

Given my age and weight, the rowing I am doing, 13 SPI @ 30 spm is amazing stuff, whatever it produces in the end.

I am also cross-training two hours a day on my bike.

No more work on technique and stroking power.

No more rowing at low rates.

No more UT1 rowing.

Just 13 SPI @ 30 spm.

Rowing well, at race rates.

Ideal!

AT

Level 2

ranger

[cah]

good luck

[ranger]

is nevertheless impressive

-- snip --

and my poor english

Yes, you do seem to struggle with the language

Enjoy your pasta.

Lordy, guy.

It is one thing getting on here and bad-mouthing me whenever and however.

It is another thing bad-mouthing _everyone_ who wants to say something.

You are really out on the fringes, dude.

ranger

[ranger]

good luck

Thanks.

ranger

[ranger]

What's nice about 13 SPI @ 30 spm is that it is really (a mild sort of) racing.

The rowing is of such quality that, given my age and weight, it will lead, of its own accord, inevitably, to rankable times, pbs, world records, etc.

For instance, here is what has been done for 1K this year by those my age and weight (or older).

1 Henry Baker 62 Santa Barbara CA USA 3:19.0 RowPro
gregory brock 61 santa cruz ca USA 3:22.4 IND
2 Hugh Pite 65 Victoria BC CAN 3:22.6 IND_V
3 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 3:24.0 IND
4 Rick Bayko 62 Newburyport MA USA 3:25.7 IND_V
5 Timothy Foley 61 Coopersburg PA USA 3:26.5 IND
5 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 3:26.5 IND
7 Steve Schaffran 66 Richmond CA USA 3:28.6 IND
8 Hugh Conway 60 St. Pats TOW Club Co. Armagh IRL 3:29.2 IND_V
9 Ken Benoit 61 Borden Ontario CAN 3:29.6 IND
10 Ron Riley 70 Invercargill NZL 3:30.0 IND

The 60s lwt WR is 3:16.7, quite a bit slower than 13 SPI @ 30 spm.

In fact, this year, among 50s lwts, only Steve Geary has a better 1K, free rate, than 13 SPI @ 30 spm.

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 1000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | Current 2010 Season

Steven Geary 52 Bluff South Island NZL 3:10.6 RACE
David Hislop 54 Castle Kennedy GBR 3:17.5 IND
2 Greg Trahar 51 Eltham, London GBR 3:21.2 IND_V
3 Steven Brownlee 50 Bethesda MD USA 3:22.0 IND
4 Frank Muir 51 Devizes Wiltshire GBR 3:22.5 IND_V
5 Michael van der Linden 51 Mt Gambier SA AUS 3:22.6 IND_V
6 Bill Burke 52 Leominster MA USA 3:23.8 IND_V
7 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 3:24.0 IND
8 Greg Forbes 53 Las Vegas NV USA 3:25.0 IND_V
9 Al Gair 51 North Vancouver CAN 3:25.1 IND
10 Steinar Fredheim 55 Sandnes NOR 3:25.4 IND

ranger

[leadville]

You can't. You won't.

It doesn't matter what happens.

The training takes care of results, if you believe in training.

Given my age and weight, the rowing I am doing, 13 SPI @ 30 spm is amazing stuff, whatever it produces in the end.

I am also cross-training two hours a day on my bike.

No more work on technique and stroking power.

No more rowing at low rates.

No more UT1 rowing.

Just 13 SPI @ 30 spm.

Rowing well, at race rates.

Ideal!

AT

Level 2

ranger

And giving up whenever the going gets tough while insulting others who don't quit.

Claus, going back centuries the Danes are renowned for toughness and respect for their opponents. I'd suggest that your support for ranger is not consistent with the respect Danes have for their ancestors, tough warriors who respected their opponents, did not quit, persevered in the face of difficulty, and in so doing earned the respect and admiration of generations.

While ranger has certainly achieved some solid performances on the erg, he has also insulted and demeaned other athletes, compared himself positively to world champions (including several Danes), cursed those who took issue with his disrespect, and consistently lied about his workouts and accomplishments. Not to mention giving up partway thru a race, something that real rowers would never do.

You may be fairly new to the world of ranger, as I was several months ago. I offered him advice on how best to diet and lose fat, and he chose to respond derisively and disrespectfully. I'd suggest you read more of ranger's rantings before offering additional support.

[whp4]

Beautifully long,smooth stroke now at 13 SPI.

Rowing well at race rates!

Just not at race venues!

[snowleopard]

is nevertheless impressive

-- snip --

and my poor english

Yes, you do seem to struggle with the language

Enjoy your pasta.

Lordy, guy.

It is one thing getting on here and bad-mouthing me whenever and however.

It is another thing bad-mouthing _everyone_ who wants to say something.

You are really out on the fringes, dude.

ranger

Idiomatic phrases such as those used by cah above show a very good command of the language. "Is nevertheless impressive" is not a phrase that one would expect from someone who apologises for their poor English. I am surprised that an Assoc. Professor can't spot irony when it smacks him on the nose. But then again

And as for being out on the fringes, any smudges on the mirror Trollboy?

Incidentally, _everyone_ would mean every single person that has ever posted on this thread. And I can assure I would not dream of bad-mouthing everyone, nor indeed have I. Considering your profession, your command of the English seems woeful at times

I wonder too, given your vicarious infatuation with Danish lwts, whether or not cah's credentials are entirely Danepak. If they are then I apologise unreservedly and avow to take double turns at the oar in his longship.

[johnlvs2run]

I don't think ranger is as stupid in his training approach as some would like him to be. He has written posts that show, that he knows exactly what he is doing. It may be so, that he will never row below 6.30 og reach 6.16, but his 6.41 is nevertheless impressive and much better than 6.47 - and so what about his other (failed) attempts? He really is trying to write a gigantic poem..

Yes, though he's not quite there yet.

A wheel is indeed easier and faster than trying to push a box along, though the latter is harder and more impressive (some would say) to accomplish.

[cah]

Snowleopard - I was not ironic. As for the matter of training there is no sure knowledge of the best path, and one road allmost for sure does not fit all. Winning thew TdF in 1996 Bjarne Riis was sucesfull riding a high gear demanding huge strengt and low kadence, something he had trained for for many years. Armstrong has had success(es) doing the opposite. Short and fast is the present top of the pops in running as far as I know, but some runners training many hours and a lot of long slow distance are sucessful too, maybe especially so in the veterans group.
Claus

[snowleopard]

Snowleopard - I was not ironic. As for the matter of training there is no sure knowledge of the best path, and one road allmost for sure does not fit all. Winning thew TdF in 1996 Bjarne Riis was sucesfull riding a high gear demanding huge strengt and low kadence, something he had trained for for many years. Armstrong has had success(es) doing the opposite. Short and fast is the present top of the pops in running as far as I know, but some runners training many hours and a lot of long slow distance are sucessful too, maybe especially so in the veterans group.
Claus

Claus, I speak Danish, so please feel free to post in your native tongue.

[cah]

Ok sneleopard, jeg var faktisk ikke ironisk; har læst en del af korrespondencen og ja: ranger er et mærkeligt væsen, en batman måske i sin grotte, uvenlig - provokerende- måske også løgnagtig, men han er også en bemærkelsesværdig atlet, hvad enten han så lyver eller ej.

Og lad os så holde tråden,

vh Claus (total amatør, jeg har 40 c2 roninger på bagen, fra november til nu)

[snowleopard]

Claus,I was being ironic, not you.

I don't think ranger is remarkable athlete. He has yet to beat Roy Book's WR. And Roy Brook achieved that record on considerably less training than ranger, who is pretty much a professional athlete even at his age

Sure, we'll keep the thread.