The Two Types of Training

[chgoss]

Sorry it didnt work out Rich, I know from last years CRASHB personally how painful a fly-and-die is. I learned from that though, and I dont do it any more (at least I try not to )

[whp4]

Nothing official could come of it, given no weigh-ins, etc.

That's not right. Some events did have weight classes

Sure, but no weigh-ins.

They didn't even set up a scale.

They just said they would take my word for it, if I wanted to be considered a lightweight.



That would be enough evidence, don't you think?



ranger

It would be, because there was absolutely no possibility of you turning in a record performance.

Your family must be so proud! Does your wife call all the kids and tell them "your father drove all the way to Detroit so he could quit halfway through a 7 minute event" or do you handle that?

[Steve G]

Steve--

Are you even racing on the erg now?

I can't even find any results for you.

What is your best 2K, recently?

Mine is 6:41.

ranger

There is life outside, I prefer to Time Trial on the bike and run.
I only erg as a warm up for a gym session.
Anyway this is your thread, you started it about yourself and failed to deliver again.
If I am doing an event I research the location, rules etc, you seem rather haphazard in this.
No event once again for you with any recorded data!!

[leadville]

So, rangerboy, why'd you quit the race? why'd you give up? why'd you let everyone else beat you?

You certainly voiced confidence going into the race, to wit:

(pre DNF in Detroit) -
- Beautifully relaxed cadence now, 1:36 @ 30 spm.
Just doin' it, doin' it.
Amazing power for a 60s lightweight.
Entirely comparable to the best elite young lightweights.
I'm rowing well!
Damn.

- I suppose this means that I should pace my 2K tomorrow morning, 1:37 @ 31 spm.
Then, if I can do that, the goal of sharpening will just be to move up one notch on the 10 MPS ladder, one spm and three seconds per 500m, to 1:34 @ 32 spm.

- If I just get a modest AT 2K at 32 spm tomorrow, I will row close to my 2K pb and will lower the 55s lwt WR by 10 seconds, even though I am 59, and haven't even sharpened for it.
The gap over my immediate competition is now six seconds over 2K...If I get in a good row tomorrow, that gap will be 16 seconds.

lets see, 1:37 x 4 = 6:28, a new world record, and one rowed 'beautifully', too!

What happened?

(post DNF)
I think this racing without preparing for it is getting pretty silly, anyway.
At the moment, I just need to do a lot of AT work--repeat 2Ks, 5Ks, distance trials, etc.
After that work, I think I will now _repeat_ 2Ks, 1:37 @ 31 spm.
No need to go to race venues to do this work.
I am now so much better than those in my age and weight category that it doesn't matter what I do at race venues until I am fully trained.
When I am fully trained, with my heart rate ranging up to max and my anaerobic capacities fully engaged, I'll pull 6:16.

ranger

ranger - well, you've earned one world championship this season -

Biggest Quitter.

congratulations. You can put that trophy on the mantle next to the ones for

Biggest Blowhard

Most Arrogantly Ignorant

Most Delusional

Most likely to handle down (you won that before your latest effort, so the officials had to come up with another category to recognize your latest achievement - Biggest Quitter)

I sure hope all those kids you enjoyed watching didn't learn from your example - how to quit, give up, cave in, wimp out, stop trying, lose, embarrass yourself.

rangerboy, you'll never be a rower. you don't have the guts, and you certainly don't have the class.

the erg is indeed a truth machine. And the truth is you're a gutless wimp.

[leadville]

Would some one help me?

What number do I use for a DNF in an average???

7:11 + 6:48 + 6:41 + 6:51 + DNF... /5 = ?

Of courser this far better than my 6:47 + 6:49 / 2 in ranger world

Mike - my interpretation is this. rangerboy started the race, but he has yet to finish it. Therefore the clock is still running. As of now, his time is somewhere around 10:50:00.00.

That's the most accurate way to interpret this data point.

There's another view, and that is absent severe illness or mechanical breakdown, a rower does not quit a race. Ever. Part of being a rower is respecting the sport, of continuing to do your best when even that is obviously nowhere near good enough to produce the result you desire.

To a rower, quitting is anathema. It is Just Not Done.

[BrianStaff]

hey d`range`d

I could have beaten you today and I'm 65 next week

[aharmer]

I have a little story to tell about my recent race. It was also very low key, with almost all other participants being college age kids or younger. Not surprisingly, a majority of the kids went out waaay too hard. Almost every race was a horrible fly and die scenario. NOT ONCE THE ENTIRE DAY DID SOMEBODY SET THE HANDLE DOWN. They gutted it out and finished in a time that was much slower than they could have done with optimal pacing. No gigantic egos to protect, just good people having a great time.

ALong the same lines, my finals race wasn't close. I could have rowed 20 seconds slower and still won. If you're any kind of competitor you don't slack or quit just because the competition isn't top notch. Competition, venue or scales had nothing to do with your DNF. You went outside your physical limits in the first half and were bitten...instead of gutting it out like the 100 kids I rowed with you quit.

[nycbone]

That's why the median is appropriate in Ranger's case. I'm working on a data set involving elapsed times. In a few cases, I had to end the experiment for logistical reasons. The times that I don't know cannot be used to calculate the mean. The beauty of the median is that it can include unknowns - but at least half of the data must be accounted for.

Mike - my interpretation is this. rangerboy started the race, but he has yet to finish it. Therefore the clock is still running. As of now, his time is somewhere around 10:50:00.00.

That's the most accurate way to interpret this data point.

There's another view, and that is absent severe illness or mechanical breakdown, a rower does not quit a race. Ever. Part of being a rower is respecting the sport, of continuing to do your best when even that is obviously nowhere near good enough to produce the result you desire.

To a rower, quitting is anathema. It is Just Not Done.

[ranger]

Beautifully long,smooth stroke now at 13 SPI.

Rowing well at race rates!

So in this AT training, all I have to do is get used to rating 30 spm with it for longer and longer distances.

500m is as fast as my peers can do 8 x 500m or 1K.

1K is a quality interval for me, or heck, for a lightweight of any age.

2K is a pb, sub-6:30.

5K would be amazing, 10 seconds per 500m faster than my peers.

6K?

30min?

10K?

60min? would be a gob-smacker, 15 seconds faster than my peers.

This training puts together the entire package--skeletal-muscular conditioning, technique, stroking power, endurance, and physiological capacity, both aerobic and anaerobic .

ranger

[ranger]

About seven weeks now until April 30th, the end of the inddor rowing season.

Just as a reminder, this is how things stand so far in the 55s lwts:

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Gary Passler 55 amesbury ma USA 7:05.0 RACE
6 David Sutkowy 56 manlius NY USA 7:05.4 RACE
6 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
8 John Busk 56 Slangerup DEN 7:07.6 IND
9 Ernest Cook 55 Brookline MA USA 7:08.3 RACE
10 Ross Logan 55 AUS 7:09.5 RACE

This AT training should bring down my 2K significantly.

I'll now be pushing my HR over my anaerobic threshold.

At some point, perhaps even an early point, I should get that solid sub-6:30 AT 2K I have been looking for.

But that might not be the end of it.

I will push this rowing at 13 SPI @ 30 spm as far as I can.

ranger

[snowleopard]

To a rower, quitting is anathema. It is Just Not Done.

I'd love to be there when he throws a hissy fit as a member of an AA eight. No where to walk then

(Not that he as any intention of rowing in a team mark you.)

[ranger]

BTW, this 30 spm is just what I want to rate in my 1x for a 5K, 3 miles, HTCR, other head races, etc.

If I can hold the 1:37 on the erg, I should be able to hold 1:57 OTW.

That 18:42 for 4800m.

Nice!

ranger

[cah]

Dear Ranger

You aim high and therefore dare take take the risk of failure. That is something in itself, some very talented athletes never got to that point. An average of your results this year is of minor importance in this matter. Nobody can take the 6.41 away from You. Your own explanation of the 2000 impact on body and mind was very precise. A lot of people do not seem to understand the mental and physical pressure associated with it. I do hope You'll achieve what you're aiming for. I'll follow the attempt. Best of luck. Excuse my poor handling of the english language.

Claus the dane

[ausrwr]

BTW, this 30 spm is just what I want to rate in my 1x for a 5K, 3 miles, HTCR, other head races, etc.

If I can hold the 1:37 on the erg, I should be able to hold 1:57 OTW.

That 18:42 for 4800m.

Nice!

ranger

You can't. You won't. End of story.

[snowleopard]

Dear Ranger

You aim high and therefore dare take take the risk of failure. That is something in itself, some very talented athletes never got to that point. An average of your results this year is of minor importance in this matter. Nobody can take the 6.41 away from You. Your own explanation of the 2000 impact on body and mind was very precise. A lot of people do not seem to understand the mental and physical pressure associated with it. I do hope You'll achieve what you're aiming for. I'll follow the attempt. Best of luck. Excuse my poor handling of the english language.

Claus the dane

Very sweet Bubba. Don't you have shrimp to boil?