6:28 2K

[chgoss]

Many years ago I was a regular at our local snooker hall which had an unenviable reputation as a crooks hideout and was a thoroughly nasty place. A lot of betting went on, and now and then the stakes would get out of hand. Occasionally somebody new and stupid would bet with money they didn’t have which would only come to light when they failed to settle up at the end of their match. If they were very lucky they might be given 24 hours to come up with the cash plus interest and leave unscathed. Sometimes they would just get the shit kicked out of them. Usually for a lot less than ranger owes Henry.

I cringe at the thought of ranger trying his clever talk there to explain why he shouldn’t have to pay up because of blah blah blah.

No clever talk.

If push comes to shove and I don't reach my goals, I'll give Henry tthe $1000

What date are you establishing here? April 1, 2010?

[mikvan52]

According to any ranger measure the WR mark would be at an effort below anaerobic threshold for him (!)

No reason to exaggerate.

No, I can't do 1:39.5 for 60min (i.e., below my anaerobic threshold).

I now do 1:43 @ 29 spm at my anaerobic threshold (high-end UT1).

ranger-boggle
Who was speaking of 60 minutes here, not me.

I speak of 2k.. so he starts talking about an hour. (Geez!)
(almost twists my knickers..) But this is a typical ranger parry.



Back to the record:
Still... not a single IND_V time since he got his PM4 (what? three years ago). Very puzzling for such a prodigious work horse on the erg.

As for his number logic: A 6:16 2k means four consecutive 500's averaging 1:34
Any lightweight erger who has the potential (before sharpening) to do that can produce four 500's averaging 1:39.99 any day any time.

Rich would have won the bet with Henry for such a piece .

To be accurate: The title of this thread should be: I, ranger, rowed a 6:28 as a lightweight in 2002
subtitle: Let me try to convince fools that 8 years later I'll be faster as I near 60 years of age.

Rich: There are hints in your posts already of a an impending delay for any WR try.... Isn't your target shifting to the 6:42 60-65 lightweight mark?

No former WR holder has ever delayed making another WR mark in so many years

[ranger]

No former WR holder has ever delayed making another WR mark in so many years

Besides me, no male WR-holder, 40-70, has _ever_ gotten better--at all.

When I set my first WR at WIRC 2003, I didn't delay much at all--only six months--before I got better.

Then a month later, I set a new mark again.

Now I am ready to show that I can quite a bit better than the lwt 6:28 I pulled at BIRC 2003.

The first two improvements were due to fitness.

The improvement now will be due to technique.

For WR-holders, improvements from technique are much more dramatic than improvements from fitness, as we will see, although they also take longer to cultivate.

I'll shoot for sub-6:28 at Indianapolis.

If I hit that, I'll shoot for 6:24 at Cincinnati.

If I hit that, I'll shoot for 6:20 at WIRC.

If I hit that, I'll shoot for 6:16 at Chicago.

ranger

[mikvan52]

No former WR holder has ever delayed making another WR mark in so many years

Besides me, no male WR-holder, 40-70, has _ever_ gotten better--at all.

When I set my first WR at WIRC 2003, I didn't delay much at all--only six months--before I got better.

Then a month later, I set a new mark again.

Now I am ready to show that I can quite a bit better than the lwt 6:28 I pulled at BIRC 2003.

The first two improvements were due to fitness.

The improvement now will be due to technique.

For WR-holders, improvements from technique are much more dramatic than improvements from fitness, as we will see, although they also take longer to cultivate.

I'll shoot for sub-6:28 at Indianapolis.

If I hit that, I'll shoot for 6:24 at Cincinnati.

If I hit that, I'll shoot for 6:20 at WIRC.

If I hit that, I'll shoot for 6:16 at Chicago.

ranger

And if you don't hit "sub-6:28 at Indianapolis"?

Where does the ranger flow chart lead?

Will you beef-up and go for the 55-59 hwt qualifying standard

55-59 H (free ticket).:6:32.6
55–59 L (free ticket)l.:6:53.0

Hey! Looking at this... I be figuring some-teeng out!

How could have I missed it before. I am so dense!
You're shooting for 6:28 because if you make it it doesn't matter if you a fat boy or skin and bones!!! You'll get the tickey either way.
You crafty old rhyming wordsmith, you. You're good!

Click You're Good

[NavigationHazard]

Besides me, no male WR-holder, 40-70, has _ever_ gotten better--at all.

Really? At the 1995 Crash-Bs, the great Paul Hendershott (52) took 10 seconds off his own 50+ MHW record. And John Doyle broke his own 50+ MLW record but finished 2nd to a new WR set by the dieted-down Jean-Paul Tardieu.

That was over 2500m, with heats. In 1996 they switched to 2k; perforce the year's best times were new WRs.

At the 1997 Crash-Bs, Paul Hendershott took 4 seconds off his year-old WR in the 50+ HWs.

If you want to talk non-2k results there are probably a lot more examples. To name one, I took 4 1/2 seconds off what had once been my 50+ MHW 1k record.

[richelieu]

Jean-Paul is the holder of seven hammers. He hurt his back skiing when he was helping a friend of his son back to his feet after he had fallen. Without doubt the most indelible memory I have of erging is racing Jean-Paul. When I arrived he was already a legend. Four the next few years it was always Jean-paul first and me second, third, fifth. The one year that wasn't true was when he moved from 49 to 50 and I was still 49. Damn that year another newcomer, Pete Olsen, slipped in an won (incidentally he and I both had faster times this last year than the 6:41 you here brayed about endlessly on this thread, but niether cared to post). But back to the best master lightweight champion ever, Jean-Paul. Every year for some unknown reason we never raced in the same heats. If I went first he would watch and cheer, and then I for him in his heat. The last year we competed against each other, my heat went first. He was there right in front of me, but behind the barrier, watching, cheering pushing for me. When I set the handle down it was 6:33.6. I went immediately to the barriers in front of his erg and shouted and cheered him all the way through. When he handled down it was 6:34+ He looked right into the crowd, found me, made eye contact and and with that huge moustache and a huge smile he gave me the most amazing thumbs up "you the man" salute I have encountered. The next year his back went out during the race. I sat with him as he laid on the cot on the floor of the arena as we waited for the ambulance that took him to the hospital for a check. He would squeeze my hand so hard everytime the pain welled up I thought he was going to crush it. He spoke no english, I no french but we understood each other perfectly. Later that year at BIRC we finally got to race side by side. Alas his back went again and that was the end of his racing. Jean-Paul is the epitome of a champion. He knew it was about so much more than a score, but about being a man than honours all who compete, the effort, the desire, the sacrifices. I got to say he has me beat agian on that count, there are some who I will never bring myself to honour no matter their score, how hard they work, how much they want it or what they have to sacrifice to get there. Right now for the record I think the best lwt men's 60 is Nelson Boyd. Still racing and putting it down in the middle of chemo (see the age decline thread) Anyway thanks for giving it read. take care, be safe. live well, live strong. dennis

[rjw]

Besides me, no male WR-holder, 40-70, has _ever_ gotten better--at all.

When I set my first WR at WIRC 2003, I didn't delay much at all--only six months--before I got better.

Then a month later, I set a new mark again.

Now I am ready to show that I can quite a bit better than the lwt 6:28 I pulled at BIRC 2003.

The first two improvements were due to fitness.

The improvement now will be due to technique.

For WR-holders, improvements from technique are much more dramatic than improvements from fitness, as we will see, although they also take longer to cultivate.

I'll shoot for sub-6:28 at Indianapolis.

If I hit that, I'll shoot for 6:24 at Cincinnati.

If I hit that, I'll shoot for 6:20 at WIRC.

If I hit that, I'll shoot for 6:16 at Chicago.

ranger

How do you know that improvements from technique are much more dramatic IFF no world record holder has improved besides YOU and that your improvements have been based on improving fitness.

Based on your own "logic" there is no proof for this.

[Rocket Roy]

hey Ranger when are you sending me the $20 you owe me? Do you need my address?

[mikvan52]

It's hard to wriggle out from underneath a ton of bricks.

WOW.


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Hey Dennis: Hats of to you and Pete Olsen (and naturally Jean Paul)

[NavigationHazard]

Here's the C2 Update page showing Tardieu giving Dennis the thumb's up.... http://www.concept2.com/update/s2001/crashb.htm

[ranger]

No former WR holder has ever delayed making another WR mark in so many years

There might be a good reason for this.

Although I may be wrong, as far as I can tell, no male WR-holder, 40-70, has ever even tried to get better by improving their technique.

Many of the best male senior and veteran iergers, 40-70, at least as far back as I can remember, have been notoriously bad technically.

Many (Roy Brook, Paull Hendershott, Tore Foss, etc.) have never rowed OTW at all.

Many of the others row as though they haven't (Mike Caviston, Dennis Hastings, Andy Ripley, etc.).

Nonetheless, once these rowers set WRs, they didn't try to improve their technique in order to get better, much less learn to row well OTW, they just kept rowing badly,and so, as their fitness declined with age, their 2K scores declined as well.

As a result, my attenmpt to learn to row well over the last few years, even though I had already pulled three WRs on the erg rowing badly, might be unprecedented, too.

No one has ever tried to do this before.

Can you imagine Tore Foss and Andy Ripley erging with beautiful OTW form when they were rowing close to 6:00 as veterans?

Scary thought.

I suspect that if they had, they would have been _much__ better than they were, although it might have taken some time to get there.

ranger

[ranger]

Besides me, no male WR-holder, 40-70, has _ever_ gotten better--at all.

Really? At the 1995 Crash-Bs, the great Paul Hendershott (52) took 10 seconds off his own 50+ MHW record. And John Doyle broke his own 50+ MLW record but finished 2nd to a new WR set by the dieted-down Jean-Paul Tardieu.

That was over 2500m, with heats. In 1996 they switched to 2k; perforce the year's best times were new WRs.

At the 1997 Crash-Bs, Paul Hendershott took 4 seconds off his year-old WR in the 50+ HWs.

If you want to talk non-2k results there are probably a lot more examples. To name one, I took 4 1/2 seconds off what had once been my 50+ MHW 1k record.

I am talking about 2K WRs.

They are really the only records in the sport.

I didn't know that Paul had done this, although I might have suspected so.

Happy to grant that.

So, it hasn't been done for the last 13 years, really over the entire stretch of the explosion of interest in indoor rowing?

Happy to limit my claim to that, too.

ranger

[ranger]

hey Ranger when are you sending me the $20 you owe me? Do you need my address?

The conditions for our bet were never met.

So there was no resolution of the bet.

I couldn't weigh in at WIRC 2009 if planes couldn't get me there.

ranger

[ranger]

And if you don't hit "sub-6:28 at Indianapolis"?
Where does the ranger flow chart lead?

??

To the next workout, the next race, the next season.

Onward.

People fall short of goals all the time.

Nothing unusual in this at all.

You are a case in point.

If you only race once and blow up in it, as you did last year, what does your indoor rowing season amount to?

Why not come out to Indianapolis, Cincinnati, and the other pre-WIRC venues and get in some racing?

Chicago might be fun for you, too.

ranger

[ranger]

Weight is in good order this morning at my first weigh in, but certainly not as low as iI thought it might be.

Now, I just have to work hard and keep a strict diet and I should lose a pound a week or so until the end of the racing season.

That would put me down below 160 lbs.