How much progress is realistic / How to set ‘good goals’?

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How much progress is realistic / How to set ‘good goals’?

Post by Anja » May 31st, 2009, 5:07 pm

Hi there,

I’ m new to rowing, just started in March 09. I rowed about 3 times a week, alternating 5k and 10k sessions.

I did and do other sports, too – cycling, swimming, paddling, climbing, nordic skiing. But to be honest, so far it was kind of ‘a bit of everything, but nothing serious’, meaning I went cycling OR swimming OR paddling etc. once or twice a week but never cared about things like training plans, performance monitoring and so on and didn’t enter any competition.

Now I got hooked on indoor rowing and suddenly find myself studying training guides and maintaining a training logbook :-)

Until now I mostly rowed without a ‘special plan’, not doing interval training etc., just set the 5 or 10k distance and rowed as fast or slow as felt good. That was ok to get used to the rower and the rowing technique and gain some experience how my body reacts to the load. I also made some progress, bringing down the 500m avg for the 10k from about 2:45 to 2:28 and even achieved my first goal, finishing a HM under 2 hours (1.58).

But gradually I feel that I’m reaching a (first) plateau phase and it’s getting harder to improve results. So I decided on following a training plan and settled on starting with the light version of the 5k Pete plan and am really curious how this will effect my results. I just did the first set today.

But I’m quite unsure what progress would be realistic to expect, and where and in which timeframe I should set my goals to make them challenging but not out of reach. The ranking lists are a nice motivation, but as they say nothing about how long / hard /regularly each rower was and is training to achieve those results, I miss some information to compare my times with those.

To give an example… until now, my best 500m split during a 5k session was 2:10.7. But even when I only do some single strokes with ‘full force’ I don’t get the 500m avg under 2:00, not to mention maintaining this for 500m. In the ranking list are women in my age and weight class who did the 500m in less then 1:50. And I really wonder if this is a realistic goal for me at all (considering my hight and weight) and if yes, which timeframe I should set for it.
Or for the long distance - I want to go for a FM until end of this year. Based on my recent HM result the forecast is about 4.10 for the FM. Would it be realistic to set the goal on 3.55, and how could a corresponding training plan look like?

Are there any rules of the thumbs that give some orientation on what progress one can expect with which training plan and how to set ‘good goals’? Or is this too individually and one has to make his own experience by and by?
f, 31, 165cm (64.96''), 52kg (114.64 lbs)
Rowing since March 09 - OTE only
5k - 23:46.1 / 10k - 49:26.9 / HM - 1:58:39.5

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Post by jamesg » June 1st, 2009, 12:34 am

Any training plan will do, but progress will depend on technique.

This is a very good stroke which will make you work very hard (even at low ratings) and so go fast, and if you apply it, your progress will be instantaneous:

http://www.ara-rowing.org/rowing-stroke
08-1940, 183cm, 83kg.
2024: stroke 5.5W-min@20-21. ½k 190W, 1k 145W, 2k 120W. Using Wods 4-5days/week. Fading fast.

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Re: How much progress is realistic / How to set ‘good goals’

Post by hjs » June 1st, 2009, 5:06 am

Anja wrote: To give an example… until now, my best 500m split during a 5k session was 2:10.7. But even when I only do some single strokes with ‘full force’ I don’t get the 500m avg under 2:00, not to mention maintaining this for 500m. In the ranking list are women in my age and weight class who did the 500m in less then 1:50. And I really wonder if this is a realistic goal for me at all (considering my hight and weight) and if yes, which timeframe I should set for it.
If you can do 2.10 av on a 5k you can easily do sub 2.00 at full speed. It it is very likely that you are using a wrong technique.
What rating, strokes per minute are you you using, many people in the gym use a high rating and do this while using a short weak stroke.
If you have the power of pulling 2.10 for 5 k it is not possible not to be able to row sub 2.00 if you row at full speed. It must be the stroke you use.


Have a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=NL&hl=nl&v=eqVmMd7FdAA

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Post by Anja » June 1st, 2009, 5:50 am

Thanks to both of you for the helpful links. I definitely have to work on my rowing technique. Especially getting more force on the leg drive, I 'm still pulling too much with the arms.
If you have the power of pulling 2.10 for 5 k it is not possible not to be able to row sub 2.00
right :) But the 2:10 were only the best 500m split during this workout, and after that my performance decreased significantly, so I only managed a 2:48/500m avg for the full 5k. Sorry if my explanation was unclear...

My best 500m avg for 5k so far has been 2:22.6 and 2:28.3 for 10k.
f, 31, 165cm (64.96''), 52kg (114.64 lbs)
Rowing since March 09 - OTE only
5k - 23:46.1 / 10k - 49:26.9 / HM - 1:58:39.5

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Post by hjs » June 1st, 2009, 6:22 am

Anja wrote:Thanks to both of you for the helpful links. I definitely have to work on my rowing technique. Especially getting more force on the leg drive, I 'm still pulling too much with the arms.
If you have the power of pulling 2.10 for 5 k it is not possible not to be able to row sub 2.00
right :) But the 2:10 were only the best 500m split during this workout, and after that my performance decreased significantly, so I only managed a 2:48/500m avg for the full 5k. Sorry if my explanation was unclear...

My best 500m avg for 5k so far has been 2:22.6 and 2:28.3 for 10k.
ahhh that's something completely different, then sub 2.00 times are hard work for you.
If you want to keep improving try to improve your technique, this will help in the beginning and if you want to become a bit faster try to do some interval work.

You could do 5x1 k instead of 5k. Use 3 min rest and try to row an even pace. If you have something left the last rep go faster, next time use your average as a starting pace. etc

You can think of any format that you like. You could read a bit in this a maybe use some:

http://thepeteplan.wordpress.com/


Ps don,t forget that being tall and Havier is a big plus on the erg, it's very hard to do what bigger people can do.

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Post by eliotsmith » December 2nd, 2009, 5:59 pm

Have you improved. Please give us an update if you have seen any improvement; what worked and what didn't

I am also trying to improve my 2K time so I'm mining for any and all info to do so.

Thanks

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