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[hjs]

Ive only been erging about twice a week lately due to an upcoming Jiu Jitsu tournament so I had a question as to what our team is really focusing on, the C2 challenge or the CTC? I can do the CTC challenge one day and then a longer piece another day to satisfy both but just thought I'd ask.

Ctc is more important, and those meters count both ways.

Good luck with the tournament.

[hjs]

Adam, my focus is on the seasonal challenges. Saving up enuf juice for the CTC is not. I enjoy a good bout of exercise cough every so often and am willing to help the lwgt ladies and children fill boats.

Henry, your condemnation of meter chasing in a post nominally addressing the acceptability of cross country ski simulators in a comp for rowing simulators suggests strong support for an "absolute" threshold of performance which isn't being met by meter munchers such as the one I'm most familiar with--ME! What is the threshold that makes your substantial yearly total admissable to C2 records as "quality" meters? My current threshold is 45% 2K Watts. Too low? 60%? Please let us know.

Jack its the relative to your personal level. If you pull a 2k pb thats number one, other pb s follow right after.

% says little. If you do easy wu, cd and rest paddle meters on top of your training this will lower your % a good bit. If you don,t do that and only pull ut1 stuff this % will be a lot higher. So without context those numbers again say nothing to me.
I myself never checked it or even thought about it.

[jackarabit]

Henry, I include warmup and cooldown. You are correct that I don't maintain an average 45% 2KWatts for the monthly or yearly total. Might be higher than that. Like you, I don't know for certain. I am going to stop thinking about it if, as I suspect, a subtle but noticable advantage may accrue. Before that a little story:

In my first year of erging I did the Virtual Team Challenge with a total of 770k+ meters in 27 days. I was doing clutches of 5 or 6Ks in 3 or more shifts every day. If my temporary obsession with finding out about the meter chasers wasn't challenge enuf, paying attention to the opinons of the estimable Mr. Watts led me to believe that there was an absolute minimum pace below which one was proving nothing except that one had a lot of time to sit on an erg doing nothing at all worthwhile. That pace was 2:45 to 3:00/500. I near killed myself trying to keep every piece at better than 2:30 av. when my 2k pace was 2:11. 2:50 pace would have been a perfectly acceptable low aerobic pace for technique improvement and endurance and you know it.

I admire your commitment, preparation, power, speed, and accomplishments as an athlete and mentor to athletes. I applaud your healthy year and your 6:21. I don't understand why you need to insinuate that people who are capable of less and satisfied with less are worthy of contempt?

[hjs]

Don,t get exactly why you think what you think, everybody should offcourse do what they like, as long as they don,t harm others. My personal problem is that I have trouble with stupidity, although ofcourse I do stupid things myself a lot.
And I believe in not holding back if you have a opinion or view just express it.

And absolute level means not much to me. But if someone clearly underperforms, no matter on what level and clearly could easily do better I can,t admire that much. Stuff like for instance running a marathon mean little to me. Runner a marathon, well prepared, certainly does get my admiration.

Making meters for meters, again are the same as sitting on the couch to me. It should always have a purpose a goal, absolute level is much less important.

If I see a guy pull 6.00 flat, but clearly not being very fit, I can,t help noticing that. Others proberly only see the absolute performance.

I am very well aware my view is certainly not what most people see/think. I would make a lousy politician

[jackarabit]

Henry, if you see the C2 monthly challenges as occasions which permit and encourage stupid behavior by one (me) or more (Dexter Mohr) Flyers, you are in a position to take the team out of the challenge. If we're in the game as a team, we're also in as individuals. Surely the goal can't be to row as few meters as possible or to row a total of meters deemed acceptable to the team captain? Or can it? I think pride of place for the team would benefit from a bit of intramural rivalry. The rules of the game are simple and accessible but like most sets of rules, they favor some people more than others. For those of us who have an abundance of leisure time, an obvious advantage inheres in such contests. I don't think I can be trashtalked into yielding that advantage.

[lindsayh]

Adam the CTC is definitely number 1 priority IMO and if that is all you can do that is fine.

Logging meters for the WEC is not something that we have a huge position in with all the big teams - it is nice to be there and fly the flag and the more the merrier.
Jack again IMO I am sure that Henry has no problem with people logging all the meters they can - I didn't feel the trash talking but more the imperfections of electronic communications with a layer of perspective, language and cultural cream on top.
For me this is very much a "different strokes for different folks" sort of thing - I don't actually document meters or rates at all (apart from the challenge ones). The reality is that the c2 is a fitness tool that all we oldies use to stay ahead of the pack in whatever way suits. The team is a motivation tool for me so for goodness sake don't stop jack!! I am sure that Henry feels the same way too.
best to all

[hjs]

Henry, if you see the C2 monthly challenges as occasions which permit and encourage stupid behavior by one (me) or more (Dexter Mohr) Flyers, you are in a position to take the team out of the challenge. If we're in the game as a team, we're also in as individuals. Surely the goal can't be to row as few meters as possible or to row a total of meters deemed acceptable to the team captain? Or can it? I think pride of place for the team would benefit from a bit of intramural rivalry. The rules of the game are simple and accessible but like most sets of rules, they favor some people more than others. For those of us who have an abundance of leisure time, an obvious advantage inheres in such contests. I don't think I can be trashtalked into yielding that advantage.

Jack, this is the world upside down. You never hear me talk about the meters board, I also never look at it, I also never watch golf, real life soaps, fox news etc etc.

You asked about types of ergs and the skierg, I gave my view and somehow you make this of it. I log my meters for this challenge but erg not 1 meter more or less as without. Others sit of the machine for full working days. Never said a word about it, and won,t.

With stupid I mean, doing stuff that undermines your personal goals. If one goal is to make meters only. Be my guest, sit on the machine 16 hours a day. But you can,t expect people to cheer you on.

For myself, Outside the erging world, I tell nobody about my erging. Reason, nobody cares one bit, if for some reason it gets the subject, I mostly get the question, don,t you want to row on the water...

And Jack, you never met me in person, Lindsay has, and yes I am blunt at times, but really I am a very friendly guy

[jackarabit]

I made a mistake assigning significant weight to your words, Henry. Very stupid! Good luck getting your message to the right ears. Bygones.

[hjs]

I made a mistake assigning significant weight to your words, Henry. Very stupid! Good luck getting your message to the right ears. Bygones.

Cheers Jack, really had nothing in my head, the problem for us (forum flyers) is our seize, difficult to compete against the big teams, in all aspects. You can,t get around social media to get bigger and stronger. Which we are not.

[Cryoman]

hjs - Congratulations on your 4th place finish in the World Rowing Indoor Sprints

-Jeff Julian

[hjs]

hjs - Congratulations on your 4th place finish in the World Rowing Indoor Sprints

-Jeff Julian

Hi Jeff,

Thx, it was hard work. You pulled sub 3 also didn,t you?

Henry is my first name btw.

[Cryoman]

hjs - Congratulations on your 4th place finish in the World Rowing Indoor Sprints

-Jeff Julian

Hi Jeff,

Thx, it was hard work. You pulled sub 3 also didn,t you?

Henry is my first name btw.

Henry,
Yes, finished in 6th. I was recovering from the flu but was challenged by some youth rowers at the boathouse (they all lost badly). I might have been a second better on a good day. You are doing a fantastic job on the C2C challenges.
-Jeff

[hjs]

Henry,
Yes, finished in 6th. I was recovering from the flu but was challenged by some youth rowers at the boathouse (they all lost badly). I might have been a second better on a good day. You are doing a fantastic job on the C2C challenges.
-Jeff

It was a short timeframe, pitty you just got sick..

Doing my best, not easy all those months, only the 500 to go, so almost got it done.

[jackarabit]

April CTC a conventional time ladder. Good to see the end of March's mousetrap which looked to be very effective from the perspective of a bit of casual scepticism cum research.

[Fiona]

Hi there ... I just joined your team - at least I think I did - Forum Flyers 2016? I hope that is the correct one. Anyhow thanks for having me and I hope I can contribute to this group! Fiona