If you are new to rowing...

Sean Seamus · Post by **Sean Seamus** » February 22nd, 2007, 8:46 am

I personally have found Xeno's dvd's excellent, and well worth the money.

Equally, his tips and techniques. I intend to visit his studio this year, and while I generally dislike travelling, am looking forward to the trip because of this stop on the way.

xeno · Post by **xeno** » February 22nd, 2007, 12:05 pm

Thank you Sean

Thank you for your kind words about my passion.

There are a three things which bring me great joy, my family, staying fit through rowing, and showing others how easy rowing is.

I look forward to your visit. It is going to be great and you will have a nice time with us and walking on the different beaches up and down Orange County.

It is a pleasure to work for the indoor rowing community.

XENO

xeno · Post by **xeno** » February 25th, 2007, 1:48 am

http://indoor-rowing.blogspot.com/2007/ ... rfect.html

All the best,

XENO

Ducatista · Post by **Ducatista** » March 6th, 2007, 9:40 am

Ugh, buzzkill. I was going to report on my progress, but your Rowperfect ad took the fun right out of it. Best wishes on the affiliation—but hawking it here seems in questionable taste.

xeno · Post by **xeno** » March 6th, 2007, 12:18 pm

Hi Ducatista

You make it sound as if I am from a different rowing religion.

XENO

Ducatista · Post by **Ducatista** » March 6th, 2007, 2:48 pm

Nah, nothing so profound... a different school of e-business etiquette, maybe.

I think Iron Oarsman is a great concept (I own four of your DVDs). And the Rowperfect sounds like a fine machine—I've followed with interest the RP discussions on this forum. If it fits best with your business model, of course you need to go that route. But I think you crossed the line of good taste by linking from a free forum, hosted by your product's competition, to a page on which you give price and ordering info. Just my opinion, to take or leave.

Ann

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » March 6th, 2007, 3:59 pm

Ducatista wrote:Nah, nothing so profound... a different school of e-business etiquette, maybe.

I think Iron Oarsman is a great concept (I own four of your DVDs). And the Rowperfect sounds like a fine machine—I've followed with interest the RP discussions on this forum. If it fits best with your business model, of course you need to go that route. But I think you crossed the line of good taste by linking from a free forum, hosted by your product's competition, to a page on which you give price and ordering info. Just my opinion, to take or leave.

Ann

Hey, from what I could see, the CBreeze will work pretty well with the new RP, is it okay for me to insert a shameless plug to that effect here?

At about $2K a unit, I'd be impressed if the C2 product flow saw a noticable blip in volume. Especially in light of the differences that are extremely minor once a set of Slides goes under the C2 for a whole lot less expense. The capacity for both Grounded and Sliding Erging is also quite useful, and while that was possible with the previous RP model, it may not be the case with the redesign because the seat is not made to move except in a very narrow range.

The C2's on Slides also link up better for team exercises.

Don't get me wrong, My dog hunts in both fields, both are nice pieces of equipment; but for $2k I can get a Model D, Slides, ErgMonitor and a new Computer. So it's would be a "no-brainer".

Sean Seamus · Post by **Sean Seamus** » March 6th, 2007, 4:14 pm

now there's an interesting aspect - the idea that "static" erging has a positive value

I mean that overall I've been getting the idea that "dynamic" is altogether superior, but the question is how much superior ?

I figure this thread doesn't really belong under FAQ -- but then, maybe it is the perfect place for it

I look forward to any thoughts.

Ducatista · Post by **Ducatista** » March 6th, 2007, 4:27 pm

PaulS wrote:At about $2K a unit, I'd be impressed if the C2 product flow saw a noticable blip in volume.

Agreed, not a looming threat... and while C2 doesn't seem to suffer too badly from monopoly-itis, healthy competition typically benefits the consumer (me). Not sure why I chose to puff up about the No Competing Links principle. Maybe my brand loyalty runs deeper than I thought. Or maybe I'm Emily Post's cranky online alter ego.

Anyway, it's all this talk of dynamic rowing that finally got me off the fence and onto slides. (When they're delivered next week, that is.)

PaulS · Post by **PaulS** » March 7th, 2007, 12:18 pm

Sean Seamus wrote:now there's an interesting aspect - the idea that "static" erging has a positive value

I mean that overall I've been getting the idea that "dynamic" is altogether superior, but the question is how much superior ?

I figure this thread doesn't really belong under FAQ -- but then, maybe it is the perfect place for it

I look forward to any thoughts.

Having a fair bit of experience with both, I'd not really be able to give a blanket "superior" to either, they both have strengths and weaknesses, at least how they apply to training people to move boats.

Fitness: Equivalent, though some find the sliding situation less stressful on their lower back, an issue that probably is bing caused by technique, but for a quick fix or those that don't care to tidy up that aspect, if it keeps you exercising comfortably it's a good thing.

Technique: Also a wash. The grounded Erg can teach one to avoid crashing the frontstops, which will be masked on the sliding Erg, but neither truly address the requirement of drawing the hull forward while compressing into the catch position smoothly. Most will be slightly shorter on the sliding Erg for this reason, or would that be longer on the grounded Erg due to the gravitational assistance?

Boat-like feel: This goes in favor of the Sliding Erg, but with the caveat that even though it feels more like being in a boat, there are not the same consequences as there would be in a boat. i.e. on the Slides a rushed recovery has very little momentum exchange cost, due to the relatively constant friction involved in the sliding, but in a boat, the hull drag increases by square of velocity and the power absorbtion is cubed. This would be the equivalent of having the flywheel slowed more rapidy on a rushed recovery, which does not happen. So a rushed recovery on the Erg tends to reward the bad behavior by displaying a faster instant pace, it will eventually catch up to the athlete, but those short term rewards can influence the formation of some pretty bad habits. The Grounded Erg does punish the rushed recovery by causing the athlete to absorb more of their bodies momentum before being able to impart force on the flywheel, but there is still considerable lag in the feedback that this is happening.

Perhaps others can add to the list, with either their experience or other topics for comparison.

Sean Seamus · Post by **Sean Seamus** » March 7th, 2007, 2:00 pm

thank you - I hope others will address this issue

ancho · Post by **ancho** » March 7th, 2007, 7:30 pm

Is dynamic erg to static erg
as
Sliding rigger to fix rigger boat?

Bob S. · Post by **Bob S.** » March 8th, 2007, 2:11 am

ancho wrote:Is dynamic erg to static erg
as
Sliding rigger to fix rigger boat?

I'd say that it is more like a free-floating boat as compared to a boat locked to the dock. Well, not really that drastic, but you get the idea.

Bob S.

baguaman · Post by **baguaman** » March 10th, 2007, 11:42 am

HELLO Xeno,

I am new to rowing,at first i bought a cheap rower thinking that for
someone such as myself it would do, well as it turns out after about
2 1/2 months of steady rowing the seat rollers started to break down
and i found myself having to make a big commitment to the purchase
of a good machine. I chose the C2 modle D/PM3, i also decided to
purchase the CP1 stability platform to go with it and to top it off i have
your 7 DVD set which i bought when i got the first rower.
I must say that there is quite a contrast between a low quality rower
and the C2 rowers which was very clear from the assembly of the
machine to the first pull. Well i just wanted to say thanks for the DVD's
which helped me to make my mind up to by the C2 rower,one question
i do have have for you is have you any advice for some who is looking
to improve health(i have asthma,and am strugling to reduce bloodpressure)
i know that you are anot a doctor but i thought that with your years in
the fitness area you have some advice in this area,I also need to lose
a some weight.

thank you for your time,gordon

chgoss · Post by **chgoss** » March 16th, 2007, 10:41 am

Hi Xeno
Any thoughts about entering Iron Oarsman in the North American Rowing Challenge?
http://www.concept2.com/us/commercial/p ... rc2007.asp
cheers
-chad

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