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[[old] Ben Rea]

honestly i am surprised at how hard it is to put all these part together! i have just purchased a maintenance kit and i am on my 4th hour of trying to get all the old parts off and the new parts on, i have spent half of that time fiddling with the shock cord! how are you supposed to get the thing on! i cant even get past the first pully!, i am about to have a heart attack here, PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[[old] Godfried]

Can't help you , other than saying : read the manual or ask help.<br /><br />I know you did the last part , did you do the first ?

[[old] kinley]

Wow. I just got back from my maiden voyage on a model D, so when I saw your topic, I was sure you'd be ranting about the PM3. *Very*Very*Very*Frustrating*. <br /><br />You can't view the drag and pace at the same time????? Then the numbers on the flywheel are invisible without binoculars, and I had to unstrap my feet every I wanted to change the damper, because the lever was so far away (please don't anyone come along and advise me to row strapless!). How can one find an advantageous df if she can't see the drag and pace simultaneously, or change the setting while rowing? ARGHH.<br /><br />Nor could I figure out how to change the splits to 500m from the 400m which seemed to be the default for a 2k. In the end though it didn't matter, because I couldn't find the splits anyway. The first button I pushed zeroed out the monitor (OH NO ) and each subsequent button brought up pace boats and graphs and I don't know what none of which had anything to do with my workout. *Very*Very*Frustrating*.<br /><br />I had printed out the PM3 manual (well, printed out both English language pages) to take to the gym and still couldn't figure any of this out. Why can't C2 LABEL THE BUTTONS?????? Or explain in the manual how to set up and recall a workout? IT IS NOT OBVIOUS !!!!!!<br /><br />Hope I have a helpful lane minder at the Bs. <br /><br />And have a nice day >>>------> Kinley. Very frustrated. <br /><br />

[[old] FrankJ]

<!--quoteo(post=55512:date=Feb 10 2006, 10:25 PM:name=Ben Rea)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ben Rea @ Feb 10 2006, 10:25 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>honestly i am surprised at how hard it is to put all these part together! i have just purchased a maintenance kit and i am on my 4th hour of trying to get all the old parts off and the new parts on, i have spent half of that time fiddling with the shock cord! how are you supposed to get the thing on! i cant even get past the first pully!, i am about to have a heart attack here, PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Last year I put on a maintenance kit and this year I put on a quiet kit so I've had everything apart a couple of times. If you have a specific question please ask and try to use the picture number for reference. My advice is follow the pictures for a step by step procedure and study the drawings for shock cord placement. <br /><br />Frank

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--quoteo(post=55520:date=Feb 10 2006, 03:48 PM:name=kinley)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(kinley @ Feb 10 2006, 03:48 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Wow. I just got back from my maiden voyage on a model D, so when I saw your topic, I was sure you'd be ranting about the PM3. *Very*Very*Very*Frustrating*. <br /><br />You can't view the drag and pace at the same time????? Then the numbers on the flywheel are invisible without binoculars, and I had to unstrap my feet every I wanted to change the damper, because the lever was so far away (please don't anyone come along and advise me to row strapless!). How can one find an advantageous df if she can't see the drag and pace simultaneously, or change the setting while rowing? ARGHH. </td></tr></table><br />You have my complete sympathy.<br /><br />The pm3 is the reason that I got a model C a year ago, instead of going for a new model D.<br /><br />And I didn't realize the pm3 doesn't show the drag factor while you're rowing.<br /><br />That's another mark against it.<br /><br />I always display the DF while I'm rowing on the B or the C.

[[old] Coach Gus]

<!--quoteo(post=55528:date=Feb 10 2006, 05:14 PM:name=John Rupp)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Feb 10 2006, 05:14 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>[<br />And I didn't realize the pm3 doesn't show the drag factor while you're rowing.<br /><br />That's another mark against it.<br /><br />I always display the DF while I'm rowing on the B or the C.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Why do you need to have the DF displayed all the time? It changes by such small amounts that it seems completely unnecessary to see you are still at the same drag that you were 30 minutes ago.<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--quoteo(post=55529:date=Feb 10 2006, 05:28 PM:name=Coach Gus)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Coach Gus @ Feb 10 2006, 05:28 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Why do you need to have the DF displayed all the time? </td></tr></table><br />Because then you don't need to get off the machine to check it or change it.<br /><br />And you won't forget what it was.<br /><br /><!--quoteo--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>It changes by such small amounts that it seems completely unnecessary to see you are still at the same drag that you were 30 minutes ago. </td></tr></table><br />Yeah but if you don't know what it is, then it doesn't matter if it changes or not.<br />

[[old] Ben Rea]

what are you people talking about????there is no picture to follow, they didnt give me any instructions!!!!!!!

[[old] BobD]

<!--quoteo(post=55542:date=Feb 11 2006, 12:24 AM:name=Ben Rea)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ben Rea @ Feb 11 2006, 12:24 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>what are you people talking about????there is no picture to follow, they didnt give me any instructions!!!!!!!<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Everything I've bought included detailed printed instructions, but you can go here and download as PDF files:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/service/pdf_index.asp" target="_blank">http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... dex.asp</a>

[[old] FrankJ]

<!--quoteo(post=55545:date=Feb 11 2006, 08:07 AM:name=BobD)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(BobD @ Feb 11 2006, 08:07 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=55542:date=Feb 11 2006, 12:24 AM:name=Ben Rea)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ben Rea @ Feb 11 2006, 12:24 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>what are you people talking about????there is no picture to follow, they didnt give me any instructions!!!!!!!<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Everything I've bought included detailed printed instructions, but you can go here and download as PDF files:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/service/pdf_index.asp" target="_blank">http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... asp</a><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The link to the PDF manuals has Shock Cord routing drawings but not the step by step replacement instructions. You should give Concept 2 a call and tell them your maintenance kit did not incluce the instructions. I'm sure they will send you a replacement copy right away.<br /><br />Frank

[[old] Godfried]

<a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... etmech.pdf" target="_blank">This</a> shows where all the parts go.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... _cover.pdf" target="_blank">This</a> shows how to get there.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... droute.pdf" target="_blank">This</a> shows how it should be , <a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... ckcord.pdf" target="_blank">this</a> how to adjust.

[[old] Ben Rea]

thank you, you are the man.

[[old] BobD]

[quote name='kinley' date='Feb 10 2006, 06:48 PM' post='55520']<br />Wow. I just got back from my maiden voyage on a model D, so when I saw your topic, I was sure you'd be ranting about the PM3. *Very*Very*Very*Frustrating*. <br /><br />You can't view the drag and pace at the same time????? Then the numbers on the flywheel are invisible without binoculars, and I had to unstrap my feet every I wanted to change the damper, because the lever was so far away (please don't anyone come along and advise me to row strapless!). How can one find an advantageous df if she can't see the drag and pace simultaneously, or change the setting while rowing? ARGHH.<br /><br />Nor could I figure out how to change the splits to 500m from the 400m which seemed to be the default for a 2k. In the end though it didn't matter, because I couldn't find the splits anyway. The first button I pushed zeroed out the monitor (OH NO ) and each subsequent button brought up pace boats and graphs and I don't know what none of which had anything to do with my workout. *Very*Very*Frustrating*.<br /><br />I had printed out the PM3 manual (well, printed out both English language pages) to take to the gym and still couldn't figure any of this out. Why can't C2 LABEL THE BUTTONS?????? Or explain in the manual how to set up and recall a workout? IT IS NOT OBVIOUS !!!!!!<br /><br />That's strange, my buttons are labeled on the LCD screen. Of yourse the can't label them on the housing , because the buttons have different functions depending on which screen you are displaying...<br /><br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=55561:date=Feb 11 2006, 09:12 AM:name=Ben Rea)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ben Rea @ Feb 11 2006, 09:12 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>thank you, you are the man. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />And all available on the C2 site. Or as my Granny used to say:"been a snake woulda bit you".

[[old] FrankJ]

<!--quoteo(post=55559:date=Feb 11 2006, 01:43 PM:name=Godfried)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Godfried @ Feb 11 2006, 01:43 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... etmech.pdf" target="_blank">This</a> shows where all the parts go.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... _cover.pdf" target="_blank">This</a> shows how to get there.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... droute.pdf" target="_blank">This</a> shows how it should be , <a href="http://www.concept2.com/05/rower/servic ... ckcord.pdf" target="_blank">this</a> how to adjust.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Those PDFs do show all of the pieces and parts but that is still not as detailed as the "Shock Cord Replacement" document which has 26 step by step pictures. <br /><br />Frank

[[old] PaulS]

This is a lot like the scullers saying of "If you haven't flipped, you haven't sculled."<br /><br />If you haven't tried to change the shock cord on a Model A or B (especially in the "Pre-Skewer" days) you haven't changed a shock cord! <br /><br />The model C and D are pretty much no brainers, by comparison, and not likely to end up flinging pulleys and small required bits all over the place.<br /><br />What is most required is a second set of hands to help out on the early models, a lot of patience, and peferably a clean room with no place for small parts to hide when things go wrong. (and eye protection)<br /><br />As for the PM3 complaints, it sure would be nice if the DF was displayed just like the PM2 (in the HR box when no HR receiver is being used), obvioulsy they saw fit to write a piece of venue code to do this, how about porting that over to the regular firmware? It's merely a convenience factor for me, since it would eliminate a lot of extra button presses just to get the darn DF. And it would eliminate a lot of frustration for first time users trying to find it. I see no reason why Pace needs to be displayed while adjusting DF, but since one person has mentioned they do, the solution is obvious, put it on the main screen. 8) <br /><br />Summary of the PM3 manual: "Just press the buttons until you figure it out. It's intuitive."