42195 Meters...tough, Very Tough.

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » October 20th, 2004, 1:54 pm

It was alright for the first 13Ks. Then it got tough. At three occasions I wanted to quit during the piece: At 29K to go, at 19k to go and at 13K to go. The last one was the toughest. In the first third I was rowing at an average of 1:44.5, each drinking break I took was about one hundred meters long and cost me one tenth of a second in overall average. My first water break may have been too far into the piece...at 30K to go. Then the next one was 5ks later. After that every 3Ks. until 17k. From 17k to 4k it was every two thousand meters, shorter breaks. At 4K to go I didn't stop anymore, I saw the end coming and it was bitter sweat... I will elaborate in the newsletter. And YES it was DONE ON THE SLIDE!

[old] Steve_R · Post by **[old] Steve_R** » October 20th, 2004, 2:16 pm

Congrats Xeno! I recently completed my first 1/2M and the last 2K almost had me. I can only imagine what it takes to do another 21K after the first. Good Job! Steve

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » October 20th, 2004, 3:09 pm

Fantastic effort Xeno. Makes no differance if it was on slides or not, still a fantastic effort. You won't get me doing one Well done Sir Pirate

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » October 20th, 2004, 4:18 pm

The worst pain when I got up was in my glut muscles, I felt so crippeled. I am going to look into how Marthon runners pace their effort. At one hour forty seven minutes I hit a wall big time. I must have run out of carbs in my body by that time. Xeno www.gorow.com

[old] PaulH · Post by **[old] PaulH** » October 20th, 2004, 4:24 pm

Just imagine how hard it is for those of us who have to sit there for 3:30 to get through a marathon! Great result Xeno! Cheers, Paul

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » October 20th, 2004, 6:05 pm

Sir Pirate, Your response is misleading. There is a MAJOR difference between slide and erg times. For someone of Xeno's weight the difference is somewhere around 10 minutes for the marathon distance.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » October 20th, 2004, 6:40 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (John Rupp @ Oct 20 2004, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> For someone of Xeno's weight the difference is somewhere around 10 minutes for the marathon distance.  </td></tr></table> That is completely ridiculous, do you put any thought into these rants at all? 10 minutes would change the Average pace by 7.11 seconds, requiring 50watts less average power, or 82% of the power achieved. Slides provide a perceived benefit only by covering for technical flaws that Xeno is not likely to have. You're just seeing what a Trained Oarsman, who is nutty enough to go after a Marathon in earnest, is capable of. (Seriously, most won't bother.) I'd be interested in Xeno's motivation behind this, probably something along the lines of, "What the hell, I've got two and a half hours to spare." - Paul Smith PS - Wait until he racks off a 500M.

[old] Vapor Trails · Post by **[old] Vapor Trails** » October 20th, 2004, 7:00 pm

Amazing effort. I've done a few half Marathons but don't ever intend to do a FULL marathon

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » October 20th, 2004, 7:05 pm

Wow, totally totally amazing...you must be a machine! Carla

[old] Don Seymour · Post by **[old] Don Seymour** » October 20th, 2004, 7:33 pm

Awesome Xeno! What was your stroke rate and drag setting most of the way? Also, did you lose any weight from this single row? Fantastic job. -Don

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » October 20th, 2004, 8:34 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (PaulS @ Oct 20 2004, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>That is completely ridiculous, do you put any thought into these rants at all? 10 minutes would change the Average pace by 7.11 seconds, requiring 50watts less average power, or 82% of the power achieved.  </td></tr></table> Yes 6% is a MAJOR DIFFERENCE isn't it. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh Try putting some thought into your own messages and programs, Paul.

[old] Afterburner · Post by **[old] Afterburner** » October 20th, 2004, 8:46 pm

Congrats, I still say that the first one was the hardest. (of course my first one took 4 1/2 hrs....) Once you get used to them they're really not that bad, I promise. If you're ever feeling really really masochistic go try a 100k I dream of someday being able to pull a 2k at your marathon pace, very impressive. Heather Johnson F20 HWT 5'7" 2k 7:32.2 20min 5040 marathon 3:18:06.6 100k 9:07:27.7

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » October 20th, 2004, 9:13 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (John Rupp @ Oct 21 2004, 12:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Yes 6% is a MAJOR DIFFERENCE isn't it.  </td></tr></table> Okay, you want to play some more, fantastic! Let's play "Flush the John." Please show the study where the slides were shown to provide a 6% advantage. That's right, it doesn't exist, as a matter of fact there was a slight disadvantage indicated. You are stating that this same performance off slides would produce a time 10 minutes slower, a pace 7 seconds slower, which would be an average watts of 237 instead of the 287 achieved. That would be a 21% increase by using the slides, so where is this mythical 6% you refer to? 5th grade math little man! (I understand it may have been doctorate level stuff when you were in school) As far as my programs go, you can't even understand the things you rant about, I don't really expect you to ever come around to any serious understanding regarding anything else. Bad dog! Next time go outside. Don't make me roll up a magazine. - Paul Smith PS - Is this what life coaches do, put others achievements down, based on fictitious personal beliefs? Still waiting for that list of folks you have helped out, or maybe one could step forward on your behalf. Maybe "Truth Pointer Outer" (anagram for "runt put here to riot") would be available. Damn, I'm just about to break into name calling, so I better stop and remain polite.

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » October 20th, 2004, 9:54 pm

Thank you verybody. Now I can walk again too. My resistance was set between 6 and 7, I didn't check the drag factor. I rowed the marathon because there is a ranking for it. This explanation may not hold water for a few people including my own family. I was going to row with Grandslam this morning but the rain threw a wrench in his commute to the Iron Oarsman. (here in SOCAL when it rains it slows EVERYTHING down) Thanks to lactate testing, I know I can hold my steady state rows at around 1:45 per 500m (with or without slide) for a while (staying at the aerobic threshold), but going beyond the two hour mark without a minute stop here and there is TOUGH. With or without slide...the butt hurts. I am not so good in short distances. The world record for five hundred and thousand meters seems unreachable for me. They are human-rowing-rockets. All my best XENO www.gorow.com

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » October 20th, 2004, 10:00 pm

Stroke rate was around 25-26. The last 8k I was rowing at 28-29 with far less power per stroke, I was running out of fuel badly. In the last 1000m I rowed around 32-35, no power per stroke.

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