Rowing And Running Times

[[old] osteomark]

Can anyone tell me how the rowing time correlates to running times. I've decided to take 2 months off from running and exclusively row. I know rowing has little impact on joints so if I start running I'll get some knee and ankle pain. But if I can do a 10 on the rower in 42 mins and if my legs hold up can I expect to run a 10K in that same amount of time? I know my pulmonary and cardiac status will have improved greatly.<br /><br />Thank,<br /><br />Mark

[[old] John Rupp]

Running is faster than rowing, but they aren't really comparable as there are a lot of heavy guys who get a free ride on the erg but can't run.<br /><br />So any comparison is individual, and depends on your fitness and your weight.<br /><br />The more fit you are for your weight, the faster your running times will be as compared to your times on the erg.

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-osteomark+Feb 4 2006, 06:17 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(osteomark @ Feb 4 2006, 06:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Can anyone tell me how the rowing time correlates to running times. I've decided to take 2 months off from running and exclusively row. I know rowing has little impact on joints so if I start running I'll get some knee and ankle pain. But if I can do a 10 on the rower in 42 mins and if my legs hold up can I expect to run a 10K in that same amount of time? I know my pulmonary and cardiac status will have improved greatly.<br /><br />Thank,<br /><br />Mark <br /> </td></tr></table><br />You will be slower when you resume your running, as rowing and running have little in common. I stopped running for several months, and did erging (5 hours a week) instead, on top of my regular swimming (10 to 12 hours a week). A month ago, I started running again and was surprised how much slower I was (and still is!). <br /><br />Rowing requires upper body strength (and hence muscle mass) that is detrimental to running. If you row for several months without running, your fitness at rowing will increase, while your fitness at running will decrease! There is no substitute for specific training. Have you tried using an elliptical machine? That would be closer to running, I would think.<br /><br />IMHO, it takes a lot longer than 2 months to "greatly improve one's cardiac status", unless one is starting from a complete sedentary state.<br /><br />Good luck!

[[old] jbell]

I disagree with the other guys. If a mile is 1609m at my 2k pace that is 5:38, and my fastest mile to date is 6:30 (running). Before I started rowing/erging, my mile use to be 7:13. I think rowing helps in almost every sport, some more than others. Biking might be better training for running.

[[old] John Rupp]

Running is good training for cycling but not visa versa.<br /><br />The legs only move 1/3 of the distance in cycling as with running.

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-jbell+Feb 5 2006, 03:59 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(jbell @ Feb 5 2006, 03:59 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I disagree with the other guys.  If a mile is 1609m at my 2k pace that is 5:38, and my fastest mile to date is 6:30 (running).  Before I started rowing/erging, my mile use to be 7:13.  I think rowing helps in almost every sport, some more than others.  Biking might be better training for running. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />At your age, my best 1 mile run was under 5:00, and I don't think any amount of rowing would have improved it! Now, if my best mile had been 7:13, it would have meant that my overall fitness was poor and therefore, <b>any</b> aerobic activities would have helped. That was, I think, <i>your</i> situation. As your running improves, erging will become increasingly less useful, to the point where it will start to become detrimental. If you want to perform to the best of your abilities in running, you should run. This is in essence the principle of specificity.

[[old] jbell]

Yea, that makes sense FrancoisA. I never thought of it that way. Your mile was UNDER 5min at 15?! Thats really fast. Before crew I was in OK shape, but like you said, I guess all the aerobic workout with crew lowered it.

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-jbell+Feb 5 2006, 08:23 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(jbell @ Feb 5 2006, 08:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yea, that makes sense FrancoisA.  I never thought of it that way.  Your mile was UNDER 5min at 15?!  Thats really fast.  Before crew I was in OK shape, but like you said, I guess all the aerobic workout with crew lowered it. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Your 2k on the erg is very good for your age . I don't think I could have been as fast at 15. I guess your main focus is rowing, while running is just complementary.<br /><br />BTW, I can still run a mile under 5 min! <br /><br />Cheers!

[[old] John Rupp]

Francois,<br /><br />That's a very good mile for your age.<br /><br />What age did you start swimming? Have you noticed a similar decline for running vs swimming etc?<br /><br />I liked swimming when in grade school but it was expensive and I never got in a program. My favorite was the backstroke, it being easier to breathe that way and I swam a mile one time on my own. My limit with the freestyle was one or two lengths of the 25 yard pool, though I swam 60 yards under water one time. Finally I learned to swim farther with the freestyle at age 36.<br /><br />In retrospect, I'd liked to have gone out for swimming or wrestling in the winters, signed up for singing instead of band, and given more interest to speaking or debate.<br /><br />There were always conflicts though. In high school the band director had fits about me running in track meets with the track team. The debate instructor said I wouldn't be able to run track and go out for debate.

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Feb 5 2006, 11:27 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Feb 5 2006, 11:27 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Francois,<br /><br />That's a very good mile for your age.<br /><br />What age did you start swimming?  Have you noticed a similar decline for running vs swimming etc?<br /><br />I liked swimming when in grade school but it was expensive and I never got in a program.  My favorite was the backstroke, it being easier to breathe that way and I swam a mile one time on my own.  My limit with the freestyle was one or two lengths of the 25 yard pool, though I swam 60 yards under water one time.  Finally I learned to swim farther with the freestyle at age 36.<br /><br />In retrospect, I'd liked to have gone out for swimming or wrestling in the winters, signed up for singing instead of band, and given more interest to speaking or debate.<br /><br />There were always conflicts though.  In high school the band director had fits about me running in track meets with the track team.  The debate instructor said I wouldn't be able to run track and go out for debate. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />John,<br /><br />I swam competitively from age 13 until 15. I stopped swimming for 30 years, and only started again three years ago. During those 30 years, I kept in good shape by running regularly, doing x-country skiing and exercising on a NordicTrack machine.<br /><br />It is hard for me to compare running and swimming. In running, I feel limited by my Vo2 max, which is inexorably declining! In swimming, I am still improving and doing PBs regularly. The limiting factors in swimming, for me, are both technical and related to my relatively low HR at lactate threshold. I have also gain about 15 lbs of muscle in the last 3 years, which makes me slower in running. By and large, I don't find swimming and running compatible. On the other hand, swimming brings a lot to erging, but I am unsure if the reverse is true.<br /><br />Swimming 60 yards under water is impressive, especially for a non competitive swimmer! I have recently learned, though, that it is not good for the brain! <br /><br />John, it is fascinating to learn that your astuteness in finding logical flaws in most people's arguments, goes back to your days in high school when you were part of a debate group! <br />No wonder you are so good at it; you have over 45 years of experience! <br /><br />Cheers!<br /><br />Francois

[[old] jbell]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Feb 5 2006, 05:28 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Feb 5 2006, 05:28 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your 2k on the erg is very good for your age . I don't think I could have been as fast at 15.  I guess your main focus is rowing, while running is just complementary.<br /><br />BTW, I can still run a mile under 5 min!  <br /><br />Cheers! <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Whats your current best mile? What was your fastest milke ever? As far as my 2k being fast for my age, I think I still can get lower. I got a 2k at St. Valentine's day massacre the 18th, and I wanna get below 6:56, so I should be able to get it. Yea, erging is #1 in my life, and running is just conditioning for crew.

[[old] ancho]

Although my erging times are faster than my running times, I don't see the way to correlate them.<br />I think you may support your running with erging on a rather high ratio, but if you don't want to loose shape, you will have to keep at least 2 quality runs a week.<br />I recently made my PB for running 10k (39:07 on dec 31st) after having run only once a week during the previous month, but after having completed a marathon an nov 27th (for more details, see <a href='http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?s ... c=2401&hl=' target='_blank'>here</a>.<br />Now, I haven't run a single mile during 2006. I will start again this week, let's see how it feels!<br /><br />BTW, when I was training for the junior crew (quite a while ago), our coach would'nt let us swim during competition season, as he said it "softened" the muscles <br />This summer I have been swimming longer distances (for me) on the sea, and it felt great. I was playing with the thought of a triathlon, but I still don't fell confident(comfortable eonough with the long distances. And the noise! (<b>brrwllrbpr</b>...fshhh...<b>brrwllrbpr</b>...fshhh...)<br /><br />Well, happy running/rowing/swimming/wrestling and debating to all

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-jbell+Feb 6 2006, 04:43 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(jbell @ Feb 6 2006, 04:43 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Feb 5 2006, 05:28 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Feb 5 2006, 05:28 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your 2k on the erg is very good for your age . I don't think I could have been as fast at 15.  I guess your main focus is rowing, while running is just complementary.<br /><br />BTW, I can still run a mile under 5 min!  <br /><br />Cheers! <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Whats your current best mile? What was your fastest milke ever? As far as my 2k being fast for my age, I think I still can get lower. I got a 2k at St. Valentine's day massacre the 18th, and I wanna get below 6:56, so I should be able to get it. Yea, erging is #1 in my life, and running is just conditioning for crew. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />I have never raced a 1 mile run. I have done 4:45 repeatedly in workouts. I have raced a mile and a half in 7:30 on a non flat road at age 18. I have often done the first mile of a 10 k run in 5:10 (and suffered for it at the end!). When I was 26, my best 5K was 16:32, and my 10K was 34:30. I have also run 10 miles, as a workout, in 58 min on a very hot and humid day, and almost collapsed of dehydration at the end <br /><br />Once you have good endurance, it becomes relatively easy to run a mile in 5 min. All you need to do is a couple weeks of speed work. <br /><br />Most young people underestimate the importance of a good endurance foundation, as it takes time to build. They are too impatient; they want results now!

[[old] John Rupp]

Hi Francois,<br /><br />Have you found gaining 15 pounds has helped you, or made no difference for your swimming?<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Swimming 60 yards under water is impressive, especially for a non competitive swimmer! I have recently learned, though, that it is not good for the brain!  </td></tr></table><br />Thanks, a friend of mine could walk that far on his hands, going back and forth on the shallow end of the pool. It was quite humorous seeing his feet motor along above water.<br /><br />I didn't take debate in high school, but wish that I had.<br /><br />Thanks again.

[[old] John Rupp]

I read something a few days ago, that lack of oxygen doesn't harm the brain for much longer than was thought.<br /><br />This makes sense, as world diving record holder Tanya Streeter can hold her breath for 6 minutes. One of the men's record holders has held his for 8 minutes. One time he was demonstrating this in India and a Yogi held his breath for 15 minutes!