Knee Soreness

[[old] johnhgough]

Should i continue rowing with a sore knee (runners knee)? any advice on how to improve this condition much appreciated.

[[old] Xeno]

Hi<br />Does your knee hurt more when you row?<br />If the answer is "yes" than don't use that knee when you row. If you use slides, it is easy not to use the soar joint. Just set the soar leg on the ground keeping the position steady and just row with one leg. If you need clarification let me know.<br />At the Iron Oarsman we a a few people with fragil knees. I hope I was of use for you.<br />XENO

[[old] Number Six]

One of the guys at our rowing gym uses a bunji cord wrapped around the seat slide to limit the amount of travel his knees have. He was for a long time an avid runner and suffers from "runner knee" too. The limited travel seems to work very well for him. Hope this Helps.

[[old] izrbluer]

Where would the bunji be attached to?<br /><br />Kris<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Number Six+Jun 25 2005, 10:06 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Number Six @ Jun 25 2005, 10:06 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->One of the guys at our rowing gym uses a bunji cord wrapped around the seat slide to limit the amount of travel his knees have. He was for a long time an avid runner and suffers from "runner knee" too.  The limited travel seems to work very well for him. Hope this Helps. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] Xeno]

<!--QuoteBegin-izrbluer+Jun 25 2005, 10:16 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(izrbluer @ Jun 25 2005, 10:16 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Where would the bunji be attached to?<br /><br />Kris<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Number Six+Jun 25 2005, 10:06 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Number Six @ Jun 25 2005, 10:06 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->One of the guys at our rowing gym uses a bunji cord wrapped around the seat slide to limit the amount of travel his knees have. He was for a long time an avid runner and suffers from "runner knee" too.  The limited travel seems to work very well for him. Hope this Helps. <br /> </td></tr></table> <br /> </td></tr></table><br />The bungee limits how much you compress at the catch. I guess you could do the same to limit the leg extension.<br />Xeno

[[old] johnhgough]

Hi probably doesnt hurt 'more' when when rowing, only hurts more if i walk down stairs.<br /><br />slight problem with trying to row with the other leg cos i have only got one leg! which was a good suggestion, what i have been trying to do is row as normal but not to consiously push with the leg and concentrate on the arms.<br />this is the first time i have had this happen to me, is it something that will get better or will i now always have a fragile knee? <br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Xeno+Jun 25 2005, 06:25 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jun 25 2005, 06:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi<br />Does your knee hurt more when you row?<br />If the answer is "yes" than don't use that knee when you row.  If you use slides, it is easy not to use the soar joint.  Just set the soar leg on the ground keeping the position steady and just row with one leg.  If you need clarification let me know.<br />At the Iron Oarsman we a a few people with fragil knees.  I hope I was of use for you.<br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] FrankJ]

John,<br /><br />After about 30 years of running I had to give it up about 2.5 years ago because my right knee would give me quite a bit of pain if my foot plant was only slightly off. Since then I have been rowing and haven't had any problems since. A couple times I thought maybe I could try running again but I ended up hurting my knee easily.<br /><br />The simple answer for me is that I can push as hard as I want rowing without hurting my knees. Seems it is the pounding from running that does them in. Rowing just doesn't put that kind of stress on the knees.<br /><br />Hope it works as well for you.<br /><br />Frank

[[old] judgedread]

Hi, perhaps isolating the problem might be the best place to start - 'runners knee' covers a host of possible sins. Have someone test the structures to what it is eg IT band tendonitis, chondromalacia patellae, meniscus etc - each one treatable. Without knowing the condition you may be stuck with only trial and error

[[old] Xeno]

<!--QuoteBegin-johnhgough+Jun 26 2005, 11:46 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnhgough @ Jun 26 2005, 11:46 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi probably doesnt hurt 'more' when when rowing, only hurts more if i walk down stairs.<br /><br />slight problem with trying to row with the other leg cos i have only got one leg! which was a good suggestion, what i have been trying to do is row as normal but not to consiously push with the leg and concentrate on the arms.<br />this is the first time i have had this happen to me, is it something that will get better or will i now always have a fragile knee? <br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Xeno+Jun 25 2005, 06:25 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jun 25 2005, 06:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi<br />Does your knee hurt more when you row?<br />If the answer is "yes" than don't use that knee when you row.  If you use slides, it is easy not to use the soar joint.  Just set the soar leg on the ground keeping the position steady and just row with one leg.  If you need clarification let me know.<br />At the Iron Oarsman we a a few people with fragil knees.  I hope I was of use for you.<br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I apologize, it was only after I posted that I read the last line of your signature. Does your knee hurt during the drive? Or does it hurt when you straighten it out? If you can figure out during which part of the stroke cycle it is tender, than we can possibly find a solution. Do you think you are sore because of a lack of lateral knee stability? If that were the case you could use a knee brace. Take your time and do not force anything. I look forward to hearing back from you.<br />XENO I hope you had a good weekend.

[[old] johnhgough]

don't apologise , i didn't specify my lack of 2 legs in my original post, was a tounge in cheek reply hence the smiley..<br />have taken it easy and i have not needed any pain killers today, managed to row 5k tonight, but made sure my split was always above 2.15. felt really good afterwards like i had been on a sunday stroll!<br /><br />John<br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Xeno+Jun 27 2005, 03:58 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jun 27 2005, 03:58 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I apologize, it was only after I posted that I read the last line of your signature.  Does your knee hurt during the drive?  Or does it hurt when you straighten it out?  If you can figure out during which part of the stroke cycle it is tender, than we can possibly find a solution.  Do you think you are sore because of a lack of lateral knee stability?  If that were the case you could use a knee brace.  Take your time and do not force anything.  I look forward to hearing back from you.<br />XENO  I hope you had a good weekend. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] johnhgough]

don't apologise , i didn't specify my lack of 2 legs in my original post, was a tounge in cheek reply hence the smiley..<br />have taken it easy and i have not needed any pain killers today, managed to row 5k tonight, but made sure my split was always above 2.15. felt really good afterwards like i had been on a sunday stroll!<br /><br />John<br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Xeno+Jun 27 2005, 03:58 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jun 27 2005, 03:58 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I apologize, it was only after I posted that I read the last line of your signature.  Does your knee hurt during the drive?  Or does it hurt when you straighten it out?  If you can figure out during which part of the stroke cycle it is tender, than we can possibly find a solution.  Do you think you are sore because of a lack of lateral knee stability?  If that were the case you could use a knee brace.  Take your time and do not force anything.  I look forward to hearing back from you.<br />XENO  I hope you had a good weekend. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] Xeno]

<!--QuoteBegin-johnhgough+Jun 27 2005, 02:32 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnhgough @ Jun 27 2005, 02:32 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->don't apologise , i didn't specify my lack of 2 legs in my original post, was a tounge in cheek reply hence the smiley..<br />have taken it easy and i have not needed any pain killers today, managed to row 5k tonight, but made sure my split was always above 2.15. felt really good afterwards like i had been on a sunday stroll!<br /><br />John<br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Xeno+Jun 27 2005, 03:58 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jun 27 2005, 03:58 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I apologize, it was only after I posted that I read the last line of your signature.  Does your knee hurt during the drive?  Or does it hurt when you straighten it out?  If you can figure out during which part of the stroke cycle it is tender, than we can possibly find a solution.  Do you think you are sore because of a lack of lateral knee stability?  If that were the case you could use a knee brace.  Take your time and do not force anything.  I look forward to hearing back from you.<br />XENO  I hope you had a good weekend. <br /> </td></tr></table> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I am glad to hear that your knee responds to this change. This is a good sign.<br />XENO

[[old] Stretch]

Wanted to bump this thread back up as I find myself with a similar knee complaint to John's. I get a sharp pain down the outside of my left kneecap right at the start of the drive if I push hard off the footplate. Almost like a jolt of electricity, which makes me think it may be of nerve origin. This doesn't manifest much at power levels below 10SPI or so, but as soon as I try to put the hammer down -- twang, ouch, f*ck! It's also only felt on the erg. Walking and even running are fine. I've been icing the knee and have taken sveral weeks off training in the hope it would resolve itself, to no avail. Was thinking of trying a compression bandage as a next step. Any thoughts, anyone?

[[old] johnhgough]

Have now been to see the physio therapist and it appears that i had damaged the meniscus on the right hand side, i have now been following a exercise plan which develops the muscles on the left hand side to support the knee whilst it repairs. The knee is now virtually back to normal <br /><br />Will keep off the leg press in future !<br /><br />John<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-judgedread+Jun 27 2005, 02:16 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(judgedread @ Jun 27 2005, 02:16 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi, perhaps isolating the problem might be the best place to start - 'runners knee' covers a host of possible sins. Have someone test the structures to what it is eg IT band tendonitis, chondromalacia patellae, meniscus etc - each one treatable. Without knowing the condition you may be stuck with only trial and error <br /> </td></tr></table><br />