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[[old] hjs]

<br /><br />hjs,<br /><br />Don't be bringing up facts, or things that have been said in the past as examples to support your current questions or postitions, those things are just "meaningless" now.<br /><br />This is just a free-for-all disemination of information and there is no need for any form of meaningful organization, factual basis, or reasonable thought processes.<br /><br />Go with the flow. <br />[/quote]<br /><br /> <br />

[[old] FrancoisA]

As I have mentioned a while ago, Ranger has developed a strong engine at low spm, much like a turbo diesel engine. Those engines are not meant to be reved at high rpm. Therefore, I am not surprised that he is increasing the DF in an attempt to reduce the load on his cardio system while utilizing at best his powerful stroke.<br /><br />Maybe a weekly L1 or L2 session would have helped! <br /><br />Cheers and good luck!<br /><br />Francois

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am not surprised that he is increasing the DF in an attempt to reduce the load on his cardio system while utilizing at best his powerful stroke. </td></tr></table><br /><br />It is not a self-standing virtue to row at low drag. The aim is to go as fast as you can. If you can develop a technique training at low drag that makes you go even faster at high drag, it makes no sense to race with the technique at low drag!<br /><br />As I have mentioned, almost all the good 50s rowers have used a relatively high drag, even max drag. <br /><br />I have six weeks for L1 and L2 workouts--at high drag. My sharpening has just begun. Sure, it will take time to make the transition, but I am doing fine.<br /><br />No, if I had spent two days a week or so doing L1 and L2 workouts (and then recovering from them) I wouldn't have made a fraction of the progress I have made on technique, stroking power, endurance with power, foundational fitness, and so forth, that I have. <br /><br />I raised the drag as I have done here in exactly the same way in 2003. Result: two world record rows and pbs on both.<br /><br />I guess I miss your point.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->tssssssssss this one. </td></tr></table><br /><br />??<br /><br />IMHO, Watt would need to train at low drag and high stroking power to continue to gain the quickness in leverage that is the source of most improvement after aerobic fitness has been fully developed.<br /><br />Train hard, race easy.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You do not have the HR of a 55year old </td></tr></table><br /><br />My max HR, I suspect, is considerable below where it was when I was 20-30 years old. You lose aerobic capacity as you age.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 11 2006, 03:39 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 11 2006, 03:39 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am not surprised that he is increasing the DF in an attempt to reduce the load on his cardio system while utilizing at best his powerful stroke. </td></tr></table><br />I guess I miss your point. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Ranger, it wasn't your intention a month ago to race at high DF, but I think it is a normal consequence of your training at low spm and high spi.<br /><br />I am not judgemental about it. Whatever works for you is great!<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />Francois

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->HR is related to work not stroke rate - hence people hitting maximal Hrs when doing a 30min / 20r piece. </td></tr></table><br /><br />You don't row a 2K at 20 spm.<br /><br />As I have mentioned, for some, a higher drag might be more economical, requiring less work done for the same pace. Clearly, some prefer it.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] hjs]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 11 2006, 04:43 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 11 2006, 04:43 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->tssssssssss this one. </td></tr></table><br /><br />??<br /><br />IMHO, Watt would need to train at low drag and high stroking power to continue to gain the quickness in leverage that is the source of most improvement after aerobic fitness has been fully developed.<br /><br />Train hard, race easy.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />In training you try to develope something ( no matter what sport or distance) in order to use it. <br />Now you say you will race at high drag. Rowing at high drag is rowing with a slow pull and a fast recovery to prevent the fan slowing to much. The need for fast legs is gone. You don't need them anymore. <br />I personally tried to up the drag somewhat and you most really slow down a lot compared to a low drag.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now it is back to high drag (weightlifting) and yanking the chain at high rates (no matter what you contend about your perfect stroke) - so now you have 'fast legs' at a drag of 188df, I dont think so, but I bet you are picking up the catch early now and no problem with suspension at a drag that even the big HW's dont row at. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Not yanking the chain at all now. My stroke is full and precisely timed. None of this changes at high drag. The force curve is still smoothly semicircular. No, I am not picking up the catch early now, I am getting a little more suspension. <br /><br />Yes, my legs are much faster than they were. At the same rate and drag, about 10 seconds per 500 faster! I now go 1:28 @ 36 spm. I used to go 1:38 @ 36 spm.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The need for fast legs is gone. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Fast legs make you go fast. Why would the need for speed be gone? More drag accentuates the effect.<br /><br />Train hard, race easy.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->it wasn't your intention a month ago to race at high DF </td></tr></table><br /><br />For good reason. Last time I tried to switch from training at low drag to racing at high drag, my technique collapsed. So I thought I _had_ to row at low drag with my new technqiue. Doesn't seem so. Doesn't seem to be so for other good on water rowers, either, especially good 50s rowers: Ripley, Watt, etc.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 11 2006, 07:53 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 11 2006, 07:53 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes, my legs are much faster than they were. At the same rate and drag, about 10 seconds per 500 faster! I now go 1:28 @ 36 spm. I used to go 1:38 @ 36 spm.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, but for how long? You used to do 2K in 6:28 (1:37), are you now going to do it in 5:48 (1:27) just with a DF change? (Now that would be a good "trick") <br /><br />BTW - How did that 500M piece go today?

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Have you written to Dwayne yet and told him he has got it all wrong as you dropped his name into your posts many times as 'living proof' of the advantage of low drags for racing. </td></tr></table><br /><br />As I mentioned in this thread, I think, I am not advocating that everyone row at high drag. For instance, many heavyweights, such as Dwayne, have the advantage of height/length to generate wattage. Many lightweights might also be too slight in the back and upper body to row successfully at high drag. And so forth. <br /><br />ranger

[[old] FrancoisA]

Ranger,<br /><br />You are now making rowing at high DF a virtue, while in fact it was imposed on you by your exclusive focus on rowing at low spm and high spi.<br /><br />hjs is right. Most people would develop in training abilities that would be useful in racing. At least that is the scientific approach, but a poet may think differently! <br /><br />Francois <br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1 month ago. The benifits of low drag. </td></tr></table><br /><br />The main issue with high drag, which is attractive to many beginners, is that if you don't know what you are doing, it encourages collapsing of the levers into an entirely unsequenced, untimed, heave ho at the catch--and that's it: yanking the chain. It seems that both Dwayne and I initially learned to row this way. It has taken my quite a while to learn to row correctly. Dwayne seems to have caught on more quickly. Rowing a lot at low drag and high stroking power, with close attention to the sequencing and timing of the levers teaches you to row correctly. A proper rowing stroke generates _way_ more power than yanking the chain.<br /><br />The jump in stroking power that both Dwayne and I experienced was not just a change in drag. It was a change in technique. I suspect that Dwayne is best racing at low drag, too, because he is a taller heavyweight. I get a little more pace if race at a little higher drag.<br /><br />188 df. is indeed pretty heavy with a big stroke and perhaps too heavy. We'll see. I certainly get more pace with it. 155 df. might still be best. As I remember, in 2003, I rowed at about 175 df., setting 7 on my C. Setting 7 is now 155 df. ! My C is pretty worn out! <br /><br />I'll keep experimenting with these things.<br /><br />ranger