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[old] Bore Da! · Post by **[old] Bore Da!** » October 21st, 2004, 6:10 pm

Sue, Graham, Have great holiday - see you when you get back - no doubt you will be making Taff Attack world famous (like it ain't allready!) Chris

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 21st, 2004, 10:08 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Bore Da! @ Oct 21 2004, 01:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> At some point between 500m and 2k we will be even, and should race over that distance to decide a winner - whats the distance? Godfried we may need your help on this one! I plotted a graph using our 500m pace times for 500m, and 2k. Mine are 92.2secs, and 102.4 secs respectively (thats 500m pace remember) Chippys are 90.6 secs, and 106.7 secs respectively. The two lines crossed at 925m, which I was happy with, but on showing it to Chippy he goes nuts - heads off back to the shop, finds the biggest piece of graph paper ive ever seen and goes all out to prove me wrong (this baby is like 4 foot long now). Chippy graph differs from mine in that he uses overall time Mine are 92.2 secs, and 406.7 secs respectively (overall time for 500m, and 2k) Chippys are 90.6 secs, and 427 secs respectively. His graph now has us crossing at 725 meters, but he cocked up on the scale - I put the scale right smugly expecting it to go back to 925m when lo and behold it comes out at 650meters - me in the poo poo now!! The test of the system was to be thus - On chippys graph with the scale put right - my line crosses 1000m at 3:16. My previous best was 3:19, so if i can match the 3:16 with nothing left, then my line is spot on right? Guess what - New 1000m PB for me at 3:15.8. The big question is whats the distance? Whatever it is we'll stop short by that amount, get together, and blast to the end in a traditional Taff Attack show of Macho Agony!!! All spoils to the winner.  </td></tr></table> G'day Chris, 1) GREAT PB - you really are on fire ! Just when I thought I was getting close for 1K (3.19.something) you blast off into the sunset 2) Given the lack of response to the above thus far it looks like the Taffs (Godfried excepted ?) have wimped out on the Maths again (still no answer to the "odds" question !! - guess thats why we are called Taff Attack not Maff Attack ) so here goes :- Your 2K time Chris is shown in the quote as 406.7 secs = 6:46.7 Yet your Ave Pace/500m shown in same quote is 102.4 secs, giving an extrapolated 2K time of 102.4 x 4 = 409.6 secs = 6:49.6 !!! This is why the "Ave Pace /500m" graph didn't give a similiar result to the "actual time done" graph. A new graph using 409.5 secs for your 2K instead of 406.7 secs (unless of course you have done a new PB for 2K of 6:46.7 !!!) should closely match the "Ave Pace/500m" one. They won't be identical because using Ave Pace/500 figure for your 2K gives a 2K time of 6:49.6, not 6:49.5. Doesn't really matter if you graph using Ave Pace/500 or Actual Time - resulting crossover point should be approx the same number of metres. Where should the final push to the "Magic Mil" start ? As it looks like your line and Chippy's cross somewhere within 1000m to go (need Godfried to graph this - I haven't got graphing tool) and you have a superb fresh 1K under your belt I feel that Chippy needs a fresh 1K too (his current 1K PB may be a bit dated/soft ?) and graph is then drawn using 500m and 1K times to get intersect !!! Danger here is that Chippy will do a 'weak' 1K to get a more favourable graph line !!!! If he employs dodgy tactics then race starts at the intersect point for the 500m/2K graph already calculated, (using actual times for accuracy) !!! Mike and Carole can supervise, with cuffs at the ready. Over to the Graphers, Martin

[old] Mikez · Post by **[old] Mikez** » October 21st, 2004, 11:16 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (seat5 @ Oct 21 2004, 07:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> So sorry, Mike..."my" Red Sox kind of trounced your Yankees....YESS!!!!! (I'm only a fair weather fan, though--they turn back into "the" Red Sox as soon as they lose.)  </td></tr></table> Carla, I hope the socks win after that unbelievable comeback against my poor underpaid Yankees anyway I am so tired of hearing about the curse of 1918,enough said. Im in with Dwayne and daren about taking on MIT, I have worked three shifts in a row,(did Martin and Carla arrange all this work?) and I will do 100,000 by Sunday night to pitch in. Best of luck in Southhampton Chris, Chippy and Carolemac, Chris you have to sign up that cop to this team Or I'll have to order her to transfer her loyalties. Go Taff See you soon Sue and Graham. Mike

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 22nd, 2004, 2:26 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Daren C @ Oct 21 2004, 03:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Seven days ago I took my 2K PB down 1.6 seconds, from 7:13.5 (1:48.4) to 7:11.9 (1:48.0). Today, I took it down another 7.3 seconds, from 7:11.9 (1:48.0) to 7:04.6 (1:46.1). This time, I went out hard and then slowed up, holding on for the end. My heart rate this time is plainly higher than last time. It felt harder, too. I'm not entirely sure whether I'm happy or not. On the one hand, I sacrificed my stroke for pace, and had to work harder, but on the other hand, the result is plain to see and not to be sniffed it.  </td></tr></table> Daren, great PB mate Looks like your latest row strategy is almost identical to my approach (except, just as Chris suggests, I do the first 100m a bit harder - say, 1:40). You now have a key decision - to try to 'scramble' a sub 7 and fall over the line, or row one that is sufficiently controlled that you could repeat it a couple of days later !! If the latter then perhaps aim to do one or two more 7:05's using the same game plan with any refinements you think are worth incorporating. Then drop the Ave Pace by 1 sec and go for it !! Just remember to keep that middle 1200 'controlled' - I don't even think of the distance as I do it, just think "Ave Pace 1:45" for each stroke. Hope this unsolicited advice helps - I'm really impressed with how much you've improved without a rowing background. Martin

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 22nd, 2004, 2:50 am

Hi Taffs, Graham - Great PB, looks like a sub 8 coming up when you get caught up in the buzz of the "Big Apple". Especially with Mike there to 'erge' you on ! Have a safe trip. Niall - Thanks for response to "PB within PB" question. I was actually thinking more of the Concept2 Online Rankings Database (although obviously same question applies to Nonathlon) - does anyone have a ruling on this ? Reason for asking - I was thinking of doing a gutbusting 10K whereby I do first 6K at 6K PB pace, next 2K quick enough to give a 30 min PB then finish off with quick enough last 2K to give me a 10K PB. Can I then put the 3 PB's (6K, 30 min and 10K) in the Rankings Database as 3 seperate entries via my logbook (deleting an old 6K and metres matching 30 min PB so I don't double-count metres rowed) ?? Godfried - thanks for offering to keep graphs up to date. With everyone PB'ing all over the place you may be pretty busy !! Another HM Carla ? Congrats to Speedy for regaining #1 place on the Metres Honour Board 100K Mike is there anything a NYer can't do ?! Good luck with that (fair dinkum) 1K "time trial" Chippy - no loafing along to make the crossover point closer to 500m !!! Cheers all, Martin

[old] Bore Da! · Post by **[old] Bore Da!** » October 22nd, 2004, 3:20 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Your 2K time Chris is shown in the quote as 406.7 secs = 6:46.7 Yet your Ave Pace/500m shown in same quote is 102.4 secs, giving an extrapolated 2K time of 102.4 x 4 = 409.6 secs = 6:49.6 !!! </td></tr></table> Martin, your right. But Ive only written it down wrong here - the graphs actually use 409.7 secs. With that in mind looks like its a 650 meter dash to line. I wouldn't have a problem with what you propose to do with your 6k, and 30 min PB - Other than your 6K will be spot on, (and no doubt hard to beat), but as you've gone off faster, your 30min is going to suffer (I still wont be in with a chance), but your 10K must surely be weaker than your capability (Whoo-hoo when my next 10k due???). But I don't see any legalities why you shouldn't, your giving yourself a disadvantage as opposed to an advantage.

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 22nd, 2004, 4:28 am

Thanks Chris - I wasn't sure of the 'legality' of doing 2 or more PB's concurrently. We'll see your 10K (and raise it !) after the GP ? Good Luck with the Pothunting (Aussie for silverware). Martin

[old] Prufrock · Post by **[old] Prufrock** » October 22nd, 2004, 4:55 am

Hi all Brighton Tuesday night/Wednesday, no erg. London yesterday, got back at 11.00pm, no erging. Some short intervals this morning. The fire is burning brightly in my mind and in my belly, so Niall, be prepared to give back the spot you stole from me. I haven't had time to catch up on everyone's exploits, but I'm sure everyone is pbing for fun. Daren, have you cracked sub 7 yet? Bernard

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » October 22nd, 2004, 5:00 am

My fellow Taffians, after laying waste to my 5k and 2k PBs yesterday, I decided to go for that 10k today; the second of the trio of pieces I promised to try and bring into line. My previous best was from 2 weeks ago; 40:29.5 (2:01.5). Today, I've just brought that down to... 39:04.0 (1:57.2) I'm really pleased because it's a huge chunk off, and my first sub-40, but at the same time I'm a little disappointed because for some of the row I reckoned sub-39 was on the cards. Damn, damn, damn! A mere 4 seconds. That's what, a couple of extra hard strokes in the early part of the row. I'm such a slacker! I aim to tackle this again and get under 39 minutes soon. Oh yes. Watch this space. Only the hour to bring up to date now - and not before time as it's my oldest standing PB - from September 26th!

[old] David Speed · Post by **[old] David Speed** » October 22nd, 2004, 7:13 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Mikez @ Oct 21 2004, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Chris you have to sign up that cop to this team Or I'll have to order her to transfer her loyalties. </td></tr></table> You leave our Carole alone Oarsome to the core, Oarsome unto death Carole, you've been fraternising again, I'm telling the team on you

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » October 22nd, 2004, 7:21 am

Say it loud; I'm Welsh* and I'm proud+! * I'm not + I am

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » October 22nd, 2004, 9:10 am

Hey Taffians, you should take Carole, you can use her to replace Speedy when he joins the MAD Team..........Pirate on a pillage to steal the Duke of speediness. I turn my nose up and wave my pirate sword in a threatening manner, as I set sail on the way to Thailand to capture the one know as Speedy. Sir Pirate

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » October 22nd, 2004, 9:24 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Sir Pirate @ Oct 22 2004, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Hey Taffians, you should take Carole, you can use her to replace Speedy when he joins the MAD Team..........Pirate on a pillage to steal the Duke of speediness. I turn my nose up and wave my pirate sword in a threatening manner, as I set sail on the way to Thailand to capture the one know as Speedy. Sir Pirate  </td></tr></table> Phil, Are you on your way to Thailand? Or are you just yankin' my chain? Remember though my fellow Noble...Once a Taff, always a Taff!!! Dwayne

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » October 22nd, 2004, 9:28 am

Daren, Not sure what's gotten into your water, but if you're breaking pb's like that, don't fight it. Document everything you've done leading up to them though, that way you can repeat it in the future. Great job!!!!! Holy Crap man, if I could take 7+ seconds off of my 2k, I'd be in a very elite category indeed. Only three people in history have ever gone sub 5:40. Speedy

[old] SteveV · Post by **[old] SteveV** » October 22nd, 2004, 9:36 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (dadams @ Oct 22 2004, 08:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Daren, Not sure what's gotten into your water, but if you're breaking pb's like that, don't fight it. Document everything you've done leading up to them though, that way you can repeat it in the future. Great job!!!!! Holy Crap man, if I could take 7+ seconds off of my 2k, I'd be in a very elite category indeed. Only three people in history have ever gone sub 5:40. Speedy  </td></tr></table> I think Daren is on a steep improvement curve at the moment, just finished his first million metres, started a bit of speed work, PB's will be falling for a while yet I think. Make the most of it, it won't last forever. I did a similar thing when I started, rowed a 7:30 2km within a week or so of starting, did a million metres between Dec and March, did a month of the Big Bird plan and the 2km time tumbled to 6:31.4 Two days later I broke my collar bone and spent 12 weeks off the rower

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