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[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » October 21st, 2004, 12:59 am

Carla, That's a great time for a HM especially given your lack of food fuel! It must have been very satisfying: - beating an old PB - overtaking Martin It certainly shows great focus and drive so well done. Didn't do your Nonathlon score too much harm either! Martin, I totally agree with your point about my lack of power in the midsection of the 2K being down to technique. I didn't feel I was in control of the strokes and there was a degree of blind panic as I tried in vain to get maintain a 1:50. Not being used to the higher stroke rate, I didn't have good form and that's something I'll look at during training rows. Like you say, I need to be able to do the middle 1200m at a speed and stroke rate that feels comfortable and that will come with practice. Chris/Chippy/Carole, Best of luck at Southampton. Let us know how you get on. For the TA members, don't forget to take your Welsh passports to get you through English Immigration and try not to look too suspicious on your return as you travel through the green channel with your contraband hidden under copies of Ultra-Fit magazine!

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » October 21st, 2004, 3:34 am

Well done on the PBs, Martin (5K) and Carla (HM). =) I was going to go for my 60 minute distance last night, but in the end I decided I'd gone out too fast, and it was already quite late so I decided to call it off at 4000m and do some intervals instead. So I did another 4K's worth of 8x500m intervals with 3 minutes rest between them. It's the first time I've done a "full set" of intervals like that, and I didn't really know what pace to aim at, nor how much rest to take. Still, it felt do-able and tiring both at the same time. Paces for the 8 reps were: 1:46.30 1:45.00 1:44.90 1:45.00 1:45.00 1:44.40 1:44.30 1:41.90 My current 2K PB is 7:11.9, or 1:48 pace, but I don't know if there should be any correlation between the intervals above and what I could hope to sustain for a single 2000m/7 minute stretch. I guess I'll just have to take the pain and have a go... sometime... but not today. =)

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » October 21st, 2004, 4:21 am

Good set of 500m pieces Daren. I'm no expert (so don't take my word for it) but if I had a set of splits like that I'd definitely be optimistic of getting closer to that sub-7min barrier. Just thought I'd also add that I've just managed to nose in front of Bernard following this morning's 12K. The gap is less that 1K so it wont last long. I'm only going to have time this afternoon for some 500m intervals (probably only 6 of them) so I dare say I will see myself back down to 11th place in the team.

[old] CAROLE MAC · Post by **[old] CAROLE MAC** » October 21st, 2004, 6:12 am

Carla well done .. a Pb is Pb... if I know I am going to attempt a Hm .. the day before I don't train and I stock up on the old pasta and have plenty of liquids . The day I attempt the Hm I always eat a big brekkie then wait a couple of hours and then go for it . I have a couple of glasses of orange juice with water in by the machine and a towel . The one and only marathon I have done I also had tshirts ready to change into at the side of me and it's amazing how much better you feel when you change your shirt.

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » October 21st, 2004, 7:03 am

Heheh, Carole, you're a lot wiser than I am. I have done about 3 half marathons, and I'm afraid to say I've done no preparation for them at all. In fact, before the last one I'd forgotten to have breakfast or lunch. I really want to try a full marathon soon, but I do think I'll need to be a bit more conscientious about that one. Anyway, unrelated session info follows; I tried to join a RowPro online 5k session today, but technical difficulties meant that it didn't happen. I had been hoping to try for a PB at the distance, since I felt the other two rowers in the session would enable me to try harder, phychologically. I decided to do the 5K solo anyway, and scored a slight improvement over my time from two weeks ago. Was 18:57.5 @1:53.8, now 18:44.8 @1:52.5. Not a hige difference, but a second per 500m. Stroke rate was down 2%, DPS up 3%, resulting in a 1% pace gain. Hurrah. I also updated a couple of Nonathlon scores. 5K went from 853 to 862, so a 9 point gain there. 6K went from 798 to 866, so a nice 68 pointer update on that one for a 7598/63rd overall. Catching up on Godfried. If I complete that full marathon I can leap-frog Martin, too. Until he decides to do a full marathon in retaliation, that is.

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » October 21st, 2004, 7:35 am

Nice PB Daren - 13 secs is pretty impressive if you are getting close to max Ave Pace ! Nice PB Carla - 9 secs is pretty impressive if ......... And a 1:31 will give you a 1000+ Nonathlon points ? - that will look good in the stats (Speedy being our only 1000+ pointer). QUESTION : If I do, say, a 10K PB and Rank it can I also seperately Rank a 6K and a 30 min if these happen to be PB's on the way to the 10K (deleting a previous 6K and 30 min piece from the logbook to ensure the total K's added is only 10K) ? Or does each category piece need to be done on its own ? Just wondering. Martin

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » October 21st, 2004, 8:20 am

Great PB Daren! As Martin says, knocking 13 seconds off is a big chunk so well done. With regard to Martin's question on including PBs within PBs in Nonathlon, it's my understanding (from a similar question a couple of years ago) that this is indeed permitted. I've certainly taken advantage of this as I rarely (if ever!) do a 6K or 30mins row (and don't even get me on the 500m or 1K distances )

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » October 21st, 2004, 8:54 am

Hey Carole! Have a great time at the races and show'em what you can do! Yeah, I usually don't just do an HM after 2 hard days, but I really just wanted to get back where I belonged...it wasn't meant to be a PB, just a survival row, make the distance. Next time I do one "for real" I'll take better care, for sure! Woke up several times during the night raging with thirst and unbelievabley starved this morning. Time for some heavy duty chow! Daren you are really racking up the Nonathlon points! Awesome! So sorry, Mike..."my" Red Sox kind of trounced your Yankees....YESS!!!!! (I'm only a fair weather fan, though--they turn back into "the" Red Sox as soon as they lose.) Great work, Niall, you have Bernard chasing you now! (maybe that's not very comforting) Carla

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » October 21st, 2004, 9:00 am

How do you figure out what your 5K time was accurately in order to post it in the rankings if it was part of a 10K? I assume it's not accurate enough just to see the time as you sail by and remember it, there must be some way to do it on the monitor that I haven't figured out yet. I know people do that and get Nonathlon points on events they haven't actually done as seperate events but never knew how. I don't believe my old monitor (PM1) could do it at all.) I have a PM2, can anyone fill me in? Another question: if you do timed intervals, it seems like the monitor won't tally up your "rest" meters. Also: after last night's row, the monitor told me my finishing time but not my overall average. It seems to me it usually does. Is that because an HM has more splits than the monitor can remember? Carla

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » October 21st, 2004, 9:52 am

Hey there Taffs, We're about 2.3M meters behind MIT. Anyone besides myself think we can catch 'em? I'm thinkin' we've put so many others to rest, that maybe it's time for MIT to drop to the Taff Attack as well!!!! Speedy

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » October 21st, 2004, 10:12 am

Well, there are 20 of us. If everyone can do an extra 100,000 metres next week, we'll be sorted. =)

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » October 21st, 2004, 10:49 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 21 2004, 03:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Did you have to key in all that data from scratch or do an 'export'. </td></tr></table> Key in. </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 21 2004, 03:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Awesome to see Speedy does a 10K at a quicker pace than my 1K !!!! </td></tr></table> It makes me humble! </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Oct 21 2004, 03:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Are you intending to keep the data up to date on a regular basis ? </td></tr></table> I hope to update after every major event : a personal PB a posting with a big red PM on request every week ?

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » October 21st, 2004, 11:45 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Also: after last night's row, the monitor told me my finishing time but not my overall average. It seems to me it usually does. Is that because an HM has more splits than the monitor can remember?  </td></tr></table> The PM2 records the last 20 splits so for a HM it will only cover the last 10,000m by default. You can change the default split period (default is 500m) by pressing OK+Meters (I think), you can then increase the metres to something like 2000 to make sure you get every one. If it's any consolation, this often catches me out too when I do anything longer than 10K.

[old] Bore Da! · Post by **[old] Bore Da!** » October 21st, 2004, 2:31 pm

Hi dudes, The Chipstar and myself have been busy planning the grand finale of the 1 million meter challenge. As he is a quicker sprinter than me, but lacks the mental toughness, and resiliance required to whoop me over longer distances (Martin, this is not a que for you to start spouting off!), we have come to the following conclusion. At some point between 500m and 2k we will be even, and should race over that distance to decide a winner - whats the distance? Godfried we may need your help on this one! I plotted a graph using our 500m pace times for 500m, and 2k. Mine are 92.2secs, and 102.4 secs respectively (thats 500m pace remember) Chippys are 90.6 secs, and 106.7 secs respectively. The two lines crossed at 925m, which I was happy with, but on showing it to Chippy he goes nuts - heads off back to the shop, finds the biggest piece of graph paper ive ever seen and goes all out to prove me wrong (this baby is like 4 foot long now). Chippy graph differs from mine in that he uses overall time Mine are 92.2 secs, and 406.7 secs respectively (overall time for 500m, and 2k) Chippys are 90.6 secs, and 427 secs respectively. His graph now has us crossing at 725 meters, but he cocked up on the scale - I put the scale right smugly expecting it to go back to 925m when lo and behold it comes out at 650meters - me in the poo poo now!! The test of the system was to be thus - On chippys graph with the scale put right - my line crosses 1000m at 3:16. My previous best was 3:19, so if i can match the 3:16 with nothing left, then my line is spot on right? Guess what - New 1000m PB for me at 3:15.8. Chippy was supposed to prove his time of 3:20 was right, but hasn't (he did try but his maths is terrible. He set off at 1:35 pace, and then stops at 750m wondering why his heart doing 200mph!!! ) The big question is whats the distance? Whatever it is we'll stop short by that amount, get together, and blast to the end in a traditional Taff Attack show of Macho Agony!!! All spoils to the winner.

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » October 21st, 2004, 2:39 pm

LOL, sounds awesome. You'll have to get a video camera and put the race on the Web. Congratulations on the PB!

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