Rod Freed

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 12 2005, 11:27 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 12 2005, 11:27 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My case is not very parallel to Freed's.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'm not so sure, perhaps the cases are parallel, just different directions.<br /><br />Freed ranks, but does not talk.<br />You talk, but do not rank.<br /><br />Beware of the ones that do not talk or rank when you meet them in a race. <br /><br />In fact, when I look at the relationships that make for good prediction of performance it is applied equaly. i.e. If Freed (or Ranger, or anyone) can do X, they should also be able to do Y. It's very simple, and there has been a good record for accuracy established.<br /><br />Perhaps you could do a 500M piece to test out your new stroke, but only if you are going to go for it, and don't mind tipping your hand as to 2k possibilities.

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 13 2005, 07:02 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 13 2005, 07:02 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->perhaps the cases are parallel, just different directions.<br /><br />Freed ranks, but does not talk.<br />You talk, but do not rank.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Astute observation!

[[old] gw1]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My stepping is not racing; it isn't even rowing. Yesterday, my finishing heart rate at the end of 100 minutes of stepping at 295 watts was 137 bpm. This is just UT2 work. </td></tr></table><br /><br />IMO your 2 hrs @ +/-300 watts equates to a work load similar to long distance racing. The fact that your HR at the end of yesterdays session was only 137 is astonishing.<br /><br />I did a 60 min session at 250-270 watts on my Cybex Arc Trainer, my HR was 172 and I felt like sh*t!!! <br /><br />Sorry didn't mean to threadjack! Now where's the short distance rowing section and the old weight lifting section! <br /><br />GW

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-gw1+Dec 13 2005, 10:19 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gw1 @ Dec 13 2005, 10:19 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My stepping is not racing; it isn't even rowing. Yesterday, my finishing heart rate at the end of 100 minutes of stepping at 295 watts was 137 bpm. This is just UT2 work. </td></tr></table><br /><br />IMO your 2 hrs @ +/-300 watts equates to a work load similar to long distance racing. The fact that your HR at the end of yesterdays session was only 137 is astonishing.<br /><br />I did a 60 min session at 250-270 watts on my Cybex Arc Trainer, my HR was 172 and I felt like sh*t!!! <br /><br />GW <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Gary,<br /><br />That is because you are a rather withering flower without a history of a hard physical work lifestyle. <br /><br />(Glad I'm about as far from you as possible while still in the USA, so you don't take even a good natured swing at me, I know I'd deserve it for that one.)

[[old] gw1]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Gary,<br /><br />That is because you are a rather withering flower without a history of a hard physical work lifestyle.  <br /><br />(Glad I'm about as far from you as possible while still in the USA, so you don't take even a good natured swing at me, I know I'd deserve it for that one.)  </td></tr></table><br /><br />I deserve it for lurking in a "long distance" thread!<br />Now i'm off to do my 30 min weight workout followed by a nap!

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Freed ranks, but does not talk.<br />You talk, but do not rank.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />It appears that Freed now neither ranks nor talks (nor races).<br /><br /> <br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->erhaps you could do a 500M piece to test out your new stroke </td></tr></table><br /><br />I probably will at some point, as I get into sprint routines.<br /><br />I'll be happy to report how it comes out. <br /><br />I didn't like to do 500s with my other stroke--for good reason. A total thrash, not rowing at all.<br /><br />A 500m with my new stroke would be a different matter. <br /><br />44 spm 1:26<br />43 spm 1:26.7<br />42 spm 1:27.4<br />41 spm 1:28.1<br />40 spm 1:28.8<br />39 spm 1:29.6<br />38 spm 1:30.3<br /><br />I should be doing hard 500s regularly now.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->IMO your 2 hrs @ +/-300 watts equates to a work load similar to long distance racing. The fact that your HR at the end of yesterdays session was only 137 is astonishing. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Gary--<br /><br />Well, these are different machines. The work might not be parallel at all. The calibration thing could be whacky. Yesterday was pretty darn wierd, too. I had been finishing routines at above 160 bpm, albeit often above 300 watts. By backing off 5-10 watts, my body must have felt a _huge_ relief. I just grooved along pretty effortlessly at 295 watts.<br /><br />No, my stepping isn't racing. I am just relaxed and breathing easily.<br /><br />Then again, in my stepping routines, a lot of work does indeed get done. A couple of days ago I had a half an inch of sweat in the paddles at the end of the routine (in addition to dousing everything in and around and on me, as usual). <br /><br />I have to step in my socks. Otherwise, I wreck my shoes.<br /><br />A week or so ago I wore a hole in my heel (big blister). So I _had_ to wear my shoes for a while. Big mistake. Now they're wrecked. The stench of sweat-soaked shoes is unreal.<br /><br />I suppose the only other thing is the relative measures I have. I am now stepping as much as 60 watts higher than I used to a couple of years ago (when I could still row 6:27.5 for 2K). When I started stepping, I went along at 250 watts (comparable to 1:52 pace). Lately, I have sometimes hit 310 watts (comparable to 1:44 pace). <br /><br />I think the explanation is just stronger legs. Proper rowing technique, which I have now been practicing at high stroking power (14-1 SPI) day after day, is building up my gluts, quads, hams, calves, ankles, etc. Everything in and around the legs has to be stronger in order to lead a rowing stroke with your legs and have the focus of the stroke you your legs rather than your upper body, which was more the way I used to row, when I rowed at high drag.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Beware of the ones that do not talk or rank when you meet them in a race. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Good generalization, but again only relevant for the "norm."<br /><br />Work hard, play hard.<br /><br />There is no absolute incompatibility between talk and action. Both are great and are best done simultaneously!<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 13 2005, 01:33 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 13 2005, 01:33 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It appears that Freed now neither ranks nor talks (nor races).[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Freed still has 6 of the 10 fastest 50+ event performances of all time though.<br /><br />How many do you have?

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 13 2005, 01:48 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 13 2005, 01:48 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->erhaps you could do a 500M piece to test out your new stroke </td></tr></table><br /><br />I probably will at some point, as I get into sprint routines.<br /><br />I'll be happy to report how it comes out. <br /><br />I didn't like to do 500s with my other stroke--for good reason. A total thrash, not rowing at all.<br /><br />A 500m with my new stroke would be a different matter. <br /><br />44 spm 1:26<br />43 spm 1:26.7<br />42 spm 1:27.4<br />41 spm 1:28.1<br />40 spm 1:28.8<br />39 spm 1:29.6<br />38 spm 1:30.3<br /><br />I should be doing hard 500s regularly now.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />There you go, just pop off a 500M in 1:26 at SR=44 (or less) and I'll be very inclined to believe that you are on track for your 6:24 2k, but I'd still have a few reservations regarding a pure "Trading rate for Pace" strategy. It's just a single 500m and would put you very high in the rankings, let's see it.

[[old] John Rupp]

Better predictors of a 2k would be a 1k and a 5k.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 13 2005, 02:41 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 13 2005, 02:41 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Better predictors of a 2k would be a 1k and a 5k. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Agreed (Amazing!), but a 1k is a lot to ask for, so I'm making it as simple as possible, plus there is little doubt that Rangers Endurance is in question. How could it possibly be with 4-5 hours/day long steady work?

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 11 2005, 11:34 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 11 2005, 11:34 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mr. Timm, having ranked times at both ends of the spectrum...  Seems he is what I would call a "Balanced fitness athlete". [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Mike Caviston+Dec 11 2005, 02:57 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Mike Caviston @ Dec 11 2005, 02:57 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not that balanced, really... the 500m, 1K, and 6K times he lists are all faster than I could do in that period.  Hmmm…  Just about every category has a name or two that seems to be too good to be true.  A handful of people active on the forums seem to report some amazing times while training but never seem to make it to a venue race or perform very well if they do.  Maybe they are frauds. [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />How about a One Hour match race between Kent Timm and Mike Caviston.<br /><br />The first one who blinks is a chicken szhit! <br />

[[old] John Rupp]

I checked the rankings for the 2005 season. <br /><br />Mike Caviston had a 2nd place in the 2k and was not listed anywhere in any of the other nine events in the rankings.<br /><br /><b>Kent Timm has lead the rankings 26 times in first place</b>. <br /><br />How soon can we arrange a match race for One Hour. <br /><br />I'm putting my money on Kent Timm to win and leave Mike Caviston way behind.